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  • DracoM
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    • Mar 2007
    • 12965

    << Goal of the tournament so far Kroos at 90+5" >>

    Indeed, and the only kind good enough to get past a stubborn Swedish defence. What a game!

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    • LeMartinPecheur
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      • Apr 2007
      • 4717

      Originally posted by Lat-Literal View Post
      ...that most awful prima donna Hazard and the slightly overrated Lukaku...
      Don't we need some stronger arguments to counter-balance Goals Scored??
      I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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      • Lat-Literal
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        • Aug 2015
        • 6983

        Originally posted by LeMartinPecheur View Post
        Don't we need some stronger arguments to counter-balance Goals Scored??
        Mourinho didn't want Lukaku at his previous club, Chelsea, then he did want him when he went to Man Utd but not enough so as not to feel he needed to bring in an ancient Ibrahimovic the season before last. With the latter and Rooney gone, I doubt that they will just rely on Lukaku and Rashford. It is much the same as Guardiola with the Argentinian Aguero at Man City except that Aguero until quite recently frequently scored three or four in a match. Two is actually a fairly big number for Lukaku in a game although the smart money would always be on him scoring one. I'm not against him. When not injured, he is reliable unlike Hazard at Chelsea who has been known to spend a good half of a season achieveing comparatively little with more than a hint in some quarters that he isn't fully committed. Martinez, at the helm of Belgium now, was a manager I liked but ultimately I became persuaded that his teams were, weirdly given his own footballing positions, naïve defensively. That would have been Everton when under him. It meant that I changed my mind on him being suitable for Arsenal. With De Bruyne who is good, Belgium could go on to win it but then anyone could do. I think the letting in of two against Tunisia is as significant as the impressive five goals.
        Last edited by Lat-Literal; 23-06-18, 21:48.

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        • BBMmk2
          Late Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 20908

          Originally posted by DracoM View Post
          << Goal of the tournament so far Kroos at 90+5" >>

          Indeed, and the only kind good enough to get past a stubborn Swedish defence. What a game!
          Quite so. Felt sorry for the Swedes. Great
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          • jayne lee wilson
            Banned
            • Jul 2011
            • 10711

            Good grief.... ever see a half quite like that one? Exhilarating team play and goals, mixed with anxiety for the physical safety of our own players...
            Good to see that ​"holding player down by crudest means possible at corners" is no longer a legit means of defence...for this relief much thanks to VARFIFA...
            Lingard fabulous, Kane two great pens....low tactics from the opposition - put to shame by our goals...phew.

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            • antongould
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              • Nov 2010
              • 8782

              Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
              Good grief.... ever see a half quite like that one? Exhilarating team play and goals, mixed with anxiety for the physical safety of our own players...
              Good to see that ​"holding player down by crudest means possible at corners" is no longer a legit means of defence...for this relief much thanks to VARFIFA...
              Lingard fabulous, Kane two great pens....low tactics from the opposition - put to shame by our goals...phew.
              Still can't believe what I was seeing ....

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              • Lat-Literal
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                • Aug 2015
                • 6983

                There is no doubt that the culture of humility is working in their favour. Partly it is character - in different ways, Kane, Lingard etc - and partly it is the Hodgson to Southgate era. The biggest problem with Hodgson was the ludicrous decision to have Kane taking corners. Gone are the bombast and player power in club cliques to which Ferdinand has alluded; the WAGs; the global brand managers; and to some extent the advertising. What I am noticing is that it is the ones who are a bit too at ease in promoting product who are having the most lapses - Walker for example. Some of the Panamanian hacking was atrocious - a mixture of cynicism and naivety - and the biggest plus is that we got three key players off the pitch relatively unscathed. This was perhaps counter-balanced by their fans who were a joy. Another plus was the way the mishaps during the week did not detract from England's mission.
                Last edited by Lat-Literal; 24-06-18, 16:01.

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                • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 20570

                  Originally posted by Lat-Literal View Post
                  The biggest problem with Hodgson was the ludicrous decision to have Kane taking penalties.
                  ???

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                  • Lat-Literal
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                    • Aug 2015
                    • 6983

                    Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                    ???
                    Sorry - I meant corners.

                    Slip of the keys.

                    I have corrected it now.

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                    • teamsaint
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 25205

                      Lingard has the wonderful balance that makes doing special things look easy. Won me over with a great goal right in front of us at the LC final, and todays was a lot better than that.

                      England should get valuable defensive practice against Belgium without too much pressure.

                      Still really enjoying this world cup. Managing to enjoy some Britten and a beer in the garden too.......


                      Shame about Panama’s tactics , but they aren’t the only team dishing it out. Refs have been way too lenient on over the top challenges IMO.

                      Saints CB Jan Bednarek starts for Poland tonight......
                      Last edited by teamsaint; 24-06-18, 18:04.
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                      • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 20570

                        Originally posted by Lat-Literal View Post
                        Sorry - I meant corners.

                        Slip of the keys.

                        I have corrected it now.
                        Ah, that makes sense now.

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                        • Stanfordian
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                          • Dec 2010
                          • 9309

                          Originally posted by teamsaint View Post

                          Saints CB Jan Bednarek starts for Poland tonight......

                          Maybe that's why Poland lost!

                          Terrible Polish defending!

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                          • Stanfordian
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                            • Dec 2010
                            • 9309

                            England did extremely well against Panama considering they were playing with only 10 men as Raheem Sterling was useless. Loftus-Cheek looked extremely nervous too and had a poor game. No problems at all with the other England players.

                            I would have liked Phil Jones to have had a run out. I guess he might be playing against Belgium and surely Rashford playing too.

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                            • jayne lee wilson
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2011
                              • 10711

                              Who would you prefer to avoid in the 2nd round? Probably Colombia after tonight's gift-exhibiting performance. G is a tight group, who knows, but best to try to win our group anyway...but Belgium looked very strong agains Tunisia didn't they? Hazard, Mertens, de Bruyne, Lukaku..talent-studded.... that one needs a very controlled performance, at least to start.

                              Lovely 2nd goal from Colombia... outside of right foot daisy-cutter... reminded me of Carlos Alberto, all-time classic 4th goal Brazil v Italy 1970...
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                              • teamsaint
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 25205

                                Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                                Who would you prefer to avoid in the 2nd round? Probably Colombia after tonight's gift-exhibiting performance. G is a tight group, but best to try to win our group anyway...but Belgium looked very strong agains Tunisia did't they? Hazard, Mertens, de Bruyne, Lukaku... that one needs a very controlled performance, at least to start.

                                Lovely 2nd goal from Colombia... outside of right foot daisy-cutter... reminded me of Carlos Alberto, 4th goal Brazil v Italy 1970...
                                We’ll know what we have to do to try to avoid whoever we want to avoid. ( not sure why group G is in the afternoon.)

                                At present I’d probably try to avoid Columbia, but since they may well need to beat a decent Senegal team, we may avoid them anyway.
                                There must be a fair chance we will lose to Belgium and have to face Japan as group G winners, which would be a decent outcome.

                                Great performance by Columbia, certainly need tactics right against them.

                                Mind you ,Polands failure was mostly down to Bednarek apparently.....
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