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  • Lat-Literal
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    • Aug 2015
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    #61
    Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
    On the way to St Sprees to get some furniture polish, among other things, one of those skip transporter lorries passed me by. On the side was inscribed "Hinton Skip Hire", followed by a telephone number and email address.

    The design on the furniture polish aerosol can has been changed in the past couple of years since I last bought any. "My antique table's never going to look as posh, now that they've change the look of the can", I said to the woman. In front of me in the check out queue was a short, swarthy-looking man, very suntanned, fiftyish I'd say, wearing a brown leather stetson-style hat, khaki safari jacket, and trendy-looking knee-length shorts in a grey-white mottled pattern with leather bootlaced bows on each side of the bottoms. All that was missing was corks dangling from the hat. Once he was out of earshot, Luba the sales assistant leant forward across the counter beckoning me conspiratorily: "Do you seenk he goes to shootink buffalo in the park?" she asked.

    Two small black children came over, the older clutching a ball, and watched me unloading my bag containing the purchases from my back. They are in the daytime care of the sweet young woman who lives in the flat above mine and does this for a living. "Come and see my fire engine!" the little girl said. The two of them had managed to un-rig and differently re-rig the garden hose around its wonky metal spool, this to all intents constituting the "fire engine". "Is it all right to talk to me?" I gently asked. "Yes", the little one replied; "'cos Leonie says you're OK to talk to".

    It's sobering to think one might as a "strange man" be seen as trustworthy; be this as it may one is sadly loath to approach children even if it is just to say "Hi" when you catch them viewing the bike with intrigued expressions - being warned there are predatory men with beguiling charms around every corner ready to snatch them, how are they going to distinguish me from them? More importantly still, what happens to that trust which seems hardwired into their innocent heads to guide them into secure relationships in later life? It's a conundrum. Some years ago, I placed my bike temporarily outside on the landing so as to make way for some hoovering. Fifteen minutes later I went outside, to find that the bike was gone. I thought, oh well, there we go - stupid me thinking it would be safe not to lock it to the railings; hard lesson learned. A couple of hours further on there's a ring at the door. There by the door are two small girls, aged about 12 or 13 at the most, one blonde, the other mixed race. "This your bike?" the second one asked, indicating what, yes, was indeed my bike. "Oh yes, it is!" I said, "where did you find it?" "Our brother told us he found it and we said no he'd stolen it, which he's done before, and we said that was a wrong thing to do and he had to return it. So he told us where, and we've brought it back because that's what Mum would have told us to do". I was overjoyed, moved with gratitude, "Oh thank you, thank you!" I said, hugging each of them in turn. "That's all right mister". Next day I related this incident to my next-door neighbour, mentioning my amazement that such honesty was still to be found "in this day and age". "Ooh you shouldn't have hugged them, you know!" she said in a "be afraid, be very afraid" tone of voice; "You don't do that kind of thing these days and hope to get away with it! Their father will be around here before you know it, accusing you of sexually molesting his children and being a paedophile! I know because I've taught in schools around here".



    Nothing further transpired, fortunately.

    'Nuff said.
    Very good observations from the perspective of the man alone in one small part of the 21st Century.

    Lousy times. I have thought several times about deleting my last lengthy post and haven't felt inclined to write since or even speak much. On balance, I'm keeping it in not because it is wholly indicative but it is what it is or was when it was written and may lead to thought. A few sporadic thoughts which have been triggered by what you have written. First, that attire. I knew a real life Crocodile Dundee for a short while. The man from Perth at Geneva, scientifically bright, was never conventionally dressed. In attitude very Australian, his idea of relaxing wasn't watching television but scuba diving off islands others never visited and putting into catalogues lists of endangered species. His sidekick from the north, suited, could only claim to have the occasional kangaroo in his garden. Lord knows why they both latched onto me. Apparently it was some sort of additional research. On the Sunday evening, I'd arrive. There would be a smash on my door and there they would be with a bottle of whiskey and a message that I wouldn't be allowed to have a quiet night in like my managers. They got me into a car one weekend where we travelled most of Central Europe at ludicrous speed for 48 hours. On the stopover in some mountainous region, I was intending to take a quiet shower but the door flew open for their observations. They wanted to know if British men "had one". Now that they knew that they did they were satisfied. Good times. Much amusement all round.

    Back in 1979, I was 16 and signed up to do school voluntary service at a local school. Late infants or early juniors. The most deprived in the borough. No one else chose that option. I was nervous as hell but as always the words almost convinced otherwise. This proved easier than I anticipated. In the main, the litlle girls took to me and were somewhat huggy. The boys were very questioning with the readiness to be critical on my indifference to team sport. But they were won over by a sense of humour, an easy going way on discipline - I have only ever become very irritated with middle class adults on low standards of behaviour - and the fact that I neither exhibited violence as was experienced in their homes or been so absent as to have walked out. A part of the requirements on me was that I should attend a parents' evening. "You won't like the parents" I was told. And mainly I didn't. The attitudes were I thought cold, rebellious and aggressive. Even in those days, there was a suspicion about a teenage male being kindly towards what in the moment only was a possessiveness on their part with their own children. Fast forward to the early 2000s. A mate of mine at work - married and with offspring himself - had become the leader of a local cub group. Some kid on one of their camps was causing mayhem with a knife. He took him home and when his mother in her underwear opened the door she said "you' have to take him back - I've got my boyfriend around". As for the very good university mate who has three - one most recently at Oxford - his wife works at a local school. "The stories she tells". "The children?" "No....not the children. It's the parents. Would put the hairs up on the back of your neck." "Yes, Richard, I have an understanding and it doesn't wholly mean it is a symptom of these times".

    At one point in the same decade, I had fallen out so badly with what was then my GP surgery. They knew a lot about me including my increasing opposition. "Would it be ok to touch you here?" The latter day sensitivity came about with the threat of court action on a lack of concern. However, it really didn't matter however much time I ever went into explanation for they were bound to get it wrong. The world and his wife can touch me anywhere. I'm really not bothered and an occasional reassuring arm round the shoulder is more than fine. Just don't expect me to offer you any more than a hearty handshake which in itself I had to teach myself. It isn't indifference or disgust but rather I find that physicality is the shallow person's form of communication. The higher Daily Mail reader does communication best by talking and listening while those who really aspire feel that they closely communicate while the people stuff is very low down in the mix. That is to say we do it via music or nature as mature children of the world and that is love or if it is not it is a far bigger emotional connection based in shared interests. I cannot tell you how isolating a walk can be around others' work and relationships. I'm so sick of being asked about my status by the thin.

    Towards the end of the 2000s, I turned up alone at Camp Bestival. Wasn't sure about the event seeing that there would be a lot of families and all of the baggage that can go with it. But, hey, it was Lulworth Castle which I like, it was the Flaming Lips who are older than me and dress up in animal suits or roll around in a ball - spot the lack of emphasis here on either family or big business - and Chuck Berry, my favourite granddad at that time. What could possibly go wrong? Well, it got off to the most awful start. On my arrival at the check in desk, some twenty-something bloke, a child himself although probably also a parent, looked at me accusingly and said "what - on ya own?". It really upset me for two days as if I was there for some dodgy sort of reason. And I have to say that it was only alleviated when I was about to go home and packing up my tent. Two children raced over and said "Mummy thought that you might like a bag in which to sort out your things". I looked back and the evidently single mother was smiling. I just think she may have spotted in the previous days the man who was a little unusual for having a big grin on his face because of the wonderful entertainment while being strangely alone and more benign that anyone is likely to find in a partner.
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    • Lat-Literal
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      • Aug 2015
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      #62
      Anyways, to bring it up to date and "do" a proper "funny thing happened on the way to the forum". Not exactly funny, this, but nice in its own way. I was putting some grass cuttings in the green bin. The neighbour who is a young looking grandmother was coming along the pavement with grandson - six? - and one of the dogs she walks. I like her. Wasn't sure at first but she is chatty and she listens and she even on occasion laughs. I'm also aware of the sheer amount of effort she puts in daily for her two grandchildren. Takes three buses in each direction to ensure that they get home safely from school. Her son and daughter-in-law may or may not be "an item". Often he spends some time living with his mother where a sweary sort of argument will often travel freely via mobile from their garden. That's between him and "his other half". I'm not sure I'd want to bump into him on a bad dark night. Still, he has often offered me a lift in his car so he's not all bad and no one ever really knows who is right and who is wrong. It is so easy from my position to underestimate the pressures others face. So, there the three of them were and initially it was the dog that looked most contented. That's another plus point. They are all animal lovers. She looked neutral and the grandson was doing his utmost to show a tough if miserable scowl. And to my surprise, it was he who spoke first. "We've been seeing pictures in the sky" he said. Well, this was music to my ears.

      Some time ago there was a drama series of the kind that only the BBC is inclined to put out, give or take a few ITV Heartbeats albeit those are generally inferior. She was a nice single mother, previously in Eastenders and yet to be in Coronation Street. He fancied her but she wasn't sure about him. He was very good with the kids. She would at least admit to his strengths in that way. And both of them ended up living on a remote Scottish island. She was escaping from horrid London with her still very young family. He had nothing better to do and decided to follow her, especially as he was smitten. And there is that glorious scene in it where he is just with the children. They are all on their backs looking upwards and he is describing the pictures in the sky. "Oh, that's interesting" I said. "what pictures did you see?" It transpired they saw a god and some monsters and a soldier in a helmet and another god. "Wow". Blank look!. Hah. But this all from a boy who is not encouraged to talk while his slightly older sister is generally engaged in learning parade. Against the odds, a child who is imaginative and even something of a thinker in an upbringing that often resembles Reality TV. I do recall the one other time he spoke to me. He was four and commenting on the lovely flowers "but ladies do gardens". His grandmother and I on that occasion tried to explain Monty Don. I have no idea whether the explanation worked but it was accepted at the time.

      What really impressed me, though, was the woman who had the imagination to let the sky talk in and enable it to develop. She isn't on the surface the dreamy sort but I sensed not for the first time that she has a rather special strand. Not quite arty but getting there. From memory, no one did this with me. I swung and I sung and I looked into the sky all the time when I was doing it, leaping off whenever it seemed I could jump into it and always landing with a thud. There were no creatures. It was always a map like the one on the globe except it had different shaped countries. Surprisingly, I never broke bones but that was probably down to belief in an ability to be in the clouds. But we were all then being fed psychedelia. It was in our music and the cartoons. Why are the young disadvantaged today if they are and many folk think they are so? The culture mainly. Ditch Ken Loach. Bring back Ivor Cutler.

      (I love this - well ahead of its time - driver-less boats - and great for when feeling insecure at 4am - apologies for sound quality - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsWrJGwCY5I)
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      • Richard Barrett
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        • Jan 2016
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        #63
        This morning we had to drive across town for some annoying bureaucratic nonsense, and I took my composition notebook with me in case there might be a long wait. In fact there wasn't and we were on our way back fairly quickly. After we got home I realised I'd put the notebook on the roof of the car while strapping the little one into his seat, and left it there. My heart sank a very long way, since there was a lot of essential stuff in the book related to current and future projects, so I decided to drive back and have a look around the car park and ask at the entrance. Nothing doing. On the way there and back I was going through what was in the book and found I could remember what seemed to me the most crucial things, apart from a page full of pitches that I'd have to work out again (and which would no doubt be different from the original, but maybe better, who knows?). When I got back home a second time it turned out that some kindly soul had picked up the book from the road and delivered it back to the address inside the front cover. I do believe that human beings are essentially good and decent, and it's nice to have some evidence to carry around. Anyway I then sat down belatedly to work, and kept forgetting that the book was actually there, not consulting my notes at all but only the remembered version I'd been forced to bring into consciousness, and furthermore thinking to myself I could just take a different direction, I could continue as if my notes hadn't been found and returned, and maybe that would yield more interesting results... memory and imagination are strange things. I realise this must all seem very vague and unspecific but believe me the actual details would be tedious and/or incomprehensible. (I'm glad I have the page of pitches though.)

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        • Pulcinella
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          • Feb 2014
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          #64
          I think that whatever you eventually write should be titled 'A funny thing'.
          Then we can all wonder what it's 'about'!


          Glad you got the notebook back!

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          • Serial_Apologist
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            • Dec 2010
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            #65
            Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
            I think that whatever you eventually write should be titled 'A funny thing'.
            Then we can all wonder what it's 'about'!


            Glad you got the notebook back!
            Or maybe "Chants will be a fine thing"!

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            • Richard Barrett
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              #66
              Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
              I think that whatever you eventually write should be titled 'A funny thing'.
              How did you guess?

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              • teamsaint
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                • Nov 2010
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                #67
                Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                This morning we had to drive across town for some annoying bureaucratic nonsense, and I took my composition notebook with me in case there might be a long wait. In fact there wasn't and we were on our way back fairly quickly. After we got home I realised I'd put the notebook on the roof of the car while strapping the little one into his seat, and left it there. My heart sank a very long way, since there was a lot of essential stuff in the book related to current and future projects, so I decided to drive back and have a look around the car park and ask at the entrance. Nothing doing. On the way there and back I was going through what was in the book and found I could remember what seemed to me the most crucial things, apart from a page full of pitches that I'd have to work out again (and which would no doubt be different from the original, but maybe better, who knows?). When I got back home a second time it turned out that some kindly soul had picked up the book from the road and delivered it back to the address inside the front cover. I do believe that human beings are essentially good and decent, and it's nice to have some evidence to carry around. Anyway I then sat down belatedly to work, and kept forgetting that the book was actually there, not consulting my notes at all but only the remembered version I'd been forced to bring into consciousness, and furthermore thinking to myself I could just take a different direction, I could continue as if my notes hadn't been found and returned, and maybe that would yield more interesting results... memory and imagination are strange things. I realise this must all seem very vague and unspecific but believe me the actual details would be tedious and/or incomprehensible. (I'm glad I have the page of pitches though.)
                Doesn't seem vague and unspecific at all. It seems just the way I try, ( usually not so well) to deal with things not appearing to go the way I thought I wanted them to go.

                Interesting about forgetting that you had the book back when you started work .

                " Book of Pitches" must be a good working title for something or other. Sounds a bit John Adams........
                I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                • Richard Barrett
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                  " Book of Pitches" must be a good working title for something or other. Sounds a bit John Adams........
                  Although according to Ecclesiasticus 13:1, "he who touches pitch shall be defiled therewith."

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                  • Pulcinella
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                    Although according to Ecclesiasticus 13:1, "he who touches pitch shall be defiled therewith."
                    Richard's Book of Alleged Defilement, then?

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                    • Lat-Literal
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                      • Aug 2015
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                      #70
                      So, it seems, to Suffolk. How do you begin to anticipate spending many hours with a mate who you haven't seen for five years and who has been in your life for twenty more? The guilt that is leaving your parents for several nights when all of this wasn't supposed to happen until after their demise for your sense of their security and more realistically your own? To cross London while the media tells you not to step out of your front door? The very best of. I made a mistake today. Attempted to buy two bottles of cough mixture - one for home and one more for the road. Wouldn't want to have a half-opened one spilling out onto my clothes when travelling light. My mother, 87, drank Famels like there was no tomorrow. It helped her to sleep, creosote and all. Coughing for several decades on the hour every hour but that is far less often than the average news story or the average cancer commercial going round.

                      Especially during the escapism for old folk that is 1970s light entertainment - "it is important that you see a doctor". Liberal fascism seeks to kill. The adverts in the chemists windows say it and so does the bloke on the touchline, middle aged, at 4pm every 4pm. I don't have a cough. I do get sore throats. I have a rapid heartbeat first thing every morning. The GPs don't want to know. Too many people there on the advice of adverts. They will see me only if I want to see them, otherwise it's a repeat prescription for acid. Yes, I can be acidic now.

                      When one rings to please them and ease their pressures, the receptionist is not sure that she has ever been given the authority to repeat it. One is in the wrong yet again - there is no doing right in this society - but she ultimately relents for my benefit apparently rather than theirs. So much for the tablet. On the cough syrup, "no" the pharmacist says. No doubt she is disappointed at not having been a doctor herself but this is supposedly in my favour. I look in t-shirt and shorts like one of the supermarket cough syrup guzzlers off the council estate who mainly they serve. "If it's been around for several days you need to go back to your GP". She knows nothing about me but like everyone today is full of her own legally defensive self-importance. She suspects, albeit she is based in fantasy, that one day she will be sued for negligence. "I had tests for cancer two months ago" I say. "They see me as being at maximum risk while also regarding me as a time waster.....I could get this stuff at the supermarket". "Yes, but we are not a supermarket and I need to know the tablets you are on".

                      One a day as it happens. "This extra won't be doing you any good". I go mad. It's the arrogance, the irrationality, the lack of sensitivity and the fact I would feel more attachment to someone speaking in Swahili. I show that I am literally prepared to tear my hair out. My hands fly in the air and I pull at the tufts. It's beyond my control. "Forget it". I head for the exit. Then an about turn - "no, not forget it, give me that medicine or I will go somewhere else". It is sold to me by her assistant. "I don't mean to be rude but I have an anxiety condition" I say. She replies "I can see". No, she doesn't see. She only sees herself. And not the part that causes maximum distress to the point at which you want to knock back twenty bottles. She is merely an idiotic souped-up robot of the modern system. They look at the wide social damage they do and can't understand why. It is because they have an inability to trust and listen. They are all victims. What I see and what they are unable to see is that they will decline communally in the increasing systemic rot. I might miss the sea and the sky and the butterflies but I wouldn't miss them. The westerner in this age has already made him and herself wholly unmissable. Deep down, that is known and it's not without jealousy. Anyhow, Uncle Charlie lived there, Jan's following me up there so to speak with her husband for golf and much besides. We approach it enforcing familiarity so as to manage my insecurity. We will also be paying ludicrous taxi prices we can't afford so as the trip is not wholly negotiated on public transport. Mind you, the last driver I experienced was almost certainly for ISIS.

                      Plus, I am now well in with Jan. She is currently resisting requests for her to become a councillor. Not party political enough but the old boy, so very supportive generally, is in his mid seventies and the young man is ineffectual. Will it this time next year be she and I standing for the Tories to protect green spaces when she is UKIP and I used to be Liberal? To sit in that god-forsaken chamber while that bruiser of a Labour Blairite Chair, army reservist, masonic, all of Brighton Polytechnic, three line whips all things through? No. I don't think either of us is up to it. On the description alone, a perhaps, but not when he is also an architect and more in with developers than any Tory. We're with the public - there's no one to turn to.
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                      • ahinton
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                        • Nov 2010
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                        #71
                        Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                        Although according to Ecclesiasticus 13:1, "he who touches pitch shall be defiled therewith."
                        But did Ecclesiates know anything about equal temperament?

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                        • Serial_Apologist
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                          • Dec 2010
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                          #72
                          Me, remarking on the Head & Shoulders Men Extra shampoo:

                          "Do you think there's any difference between women's and men's hair?"

                          Check-out lady:

                          "I got some of that for my husband, after being told they put testosterone in it".

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                          • Serial_Apologist
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                            #73
                            A footpath used regularly as part of a 30 minute circular walk, and, ever since moving to this district 14 years ago as a useful cut-through to my friends in Forest Hill, has suddenly been "privatised"! Intending to pass that way just now I was met by an encoded gate blocking my way, forcing me to take the extra ten minute route home.

                            While standing there momentarily in disbelief, a gentleman with a noticeable American accent approached from the opposite side. Evplaining the gate had just that day been installed, he helpfully informed me of the code, and then tried unsuccessfully to let himself through. A lady then arrived on my side, and explained that the residents had had the gate put in after experiencing a number of burglaries brought about by persons accessing the rears of the houses with gardens backing onto the path caught on CCTV. She added, that contrary to my assumption, the path was in fact not a public pathway. She then tried punching in the code on this side, turned to give me a funny look, and, placing herself meaningfully like someone using a cashpoint so as to block me from seeing what she was doing, made several more unsuccessful attempts to open the gate, concluding with, "Oh dear, I can't make it work either!"

                            I wished them both well, smirking to myself as I proceeded on the rest of my way home, even as I knew that I would regret no longer enjoying the pleasure of making my way down that particular street.

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                            • Serial_Apologist
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                              #74
                              Visiting the local pharmacy where I get my regular prescription yesterday, I was asked if I had had my annual flu jab, and if not, would I like to have it done there and then? I thanked her, mentioning that I happened to have ice cream in my back pack, and that it might be better for me to come back some other time. "Come in any time and we can do it" she replied, so I returned a couple of hours ago, and had it done by the young muslim woman who has become the shop manager. You have to fill in an official form with a few details. "If you could write in an emergency contact number here..." she pointed. "I don't know anyone, so it'll have to be my own" I replied. "Oh, then there's no need" she said. She nodded when I mentioned having heard on the radio yesterday that the injection is more likely to "work" if when taken in a cheerful disposition, adding "Which I always am, whenever I come here. I haven't had flu for the past three years when I've come here to have it done, which would seem to support the latest findings!" On exiting the shop, I noticed a pack of six small bottles of some fuit juice or other abandoned on the pavement. A woman passer-by picked it up, examining it with curiosity, and turned to me saying "Is this yours?" "No", I said; "You'd think whoever dropped it would have noticed, it being quite heavy". "I don't feel right keeping it", the woman said, "You'd better have it"!

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                              • Lat-Literal
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                                #75
                                Re your last two posts S-A, I think vis a vis land access that we have to be grateful to have been living in these times. One can see a future in which most of the coastline etc will be privatized a la Cannes (and the beaches of Geneva although those are on a lake). There are bits and pieces here - Whitesands at St David's was traditionally "private". I don't know what the position is there now. On finding food and drink, people have a range of attitudes. The late neighbour who used to live next door to me would cook an egg if left by the foxes and it was in a decent condition and it wasn't for reasons of poverty. That wouldn't be for me but each to his or her own, I suppose, and she did live to the age of 84.

                                The Lat-Lit sixth sense has clearly been working well. Just a few days ago when walking a friend across the downs, he spoke of bucket lists including the one I appeared to have. The conditions of a dozen or more people we knew - that is, who he knows and I used to know - were mentioned. Everything from how Dick's knees were "knackered" because of his footballing days and the guy who work up one morning feeling tingly and was told that he had Guillain-Barré. "Best to do things now as you have decided" he said. "Life can change in minutes". Yes indeed. Two days ago, I could walk 15 miles. Now I can't walk five steps without my father's walking stick. The manner in which it happened was very funny as in odd.

                                I switched on commercial radio and there was a guy describing in graphic detail his own medical conditions and a recent operation he had undergone. Something about burns and skin grafting and extreme pain under a needle. But the emphasis was on blood. How being a diabetic, he was on blood thinners which made the situation much worse. How he had got up in the early hours with blood oozing from his chest and other places. How his bed was a bloodbath. How he was sitting in the studio with blood pouring into his shirt and there was no need for people to keep texting in sounding worried as he'd been advised to expect it as routine and he was having the bandages changed at 0830. In this horror show, he revelled.

                                Well, back in the day, ie when aged 12, 13, 14, I would faint in biology lessons. At the sight of blood. At the mere mentioning of blood and very much more. All these years later - and following an evening feeling troubled by how my parents were sounding increasingly muddled - I started to feel dizzy. It was as if I was going through what he was experiencing myself. I felt as if I was going to pass out. Feeling very afraid by that idea, my leg wobbled and everything in me started to shake. Then my foot twisted and I was on the floor. I was lucky. Retaining consciousness, I didn't bang my head. But an inspection yesterday produced the diagnosis that I have severely damaged the ligaments in my foot and am for now grounded. Currently, it is extremely difficult even to walk from one room to the next. I'm just glad I went flying and canoeing and walking in Suffolk "before I can't" and when I did.

                                Can I, though, just take this moment to thank Steve Allen and LBC for taking the media obsession with illness which I have opposed for a long time now to such an extreme degree that it can have a direct impact on listeners' own health. Also, I'm even more minded to believe - and some people find this difficult or offensive but I regard it as a kindly education - that when the most lovely and kind hearted elderly people insist on helping offspring when in their own vulnerable states and yet with a headstrong insistence they themselves will never be helped - it not merely robs the latter of a suitable age-related role but can significantly contribute to at least a temporary reversal of all those people's actual ages.
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