Arts in the UK post-Brexit

[Serial_Apologist]

I rather think the thread topic has run its course, due to lack of further material. Lacking facts or government policy statement(in itself more than a little worrying at this late stage) there can only be speculation as to what the effect of Brexit on the arts will be. However, in view of the apparent disinclination of the current administration to acknowledge that the arts deserve a place in the life and function of this country it is perhaps safe to say that the arts, post-Brexit(whatever form or not it takes) will not be better off than they are now. I certainly cannot see any possibility that withdrawn/unavailable EU funding will be replaced by UK funding.

The thread can always be returned to, once we learn more - as some of us would say about a certain referendum decision.

[MrGongGong]

Informal sensible arrangements should surely in the main be doable with the political will.

That's all ok then
apart from the fact that no-one in politics gives a sh*t about music or culture

There is no "political will" to engage culturally with anyone

[french frank]

Informal sensible arrangements should surely in the main be doable with the political will.

Just to make a quick point about that

The problem, of course, would 'only' affect relations with the UK, and here one comes up against the point that if the UK leaves the EU, it can't expect things to be the same as they were before - whether that's music, the arts in general, or trade. Being 'sensible' or 'having the political will' doesn't really alter that fact that the freedom of movement of people &c all goes with belonging to the EU. Hence the possibility of a problem

[Lat-Literal]

Just to make a quick point about that

The problem, of course, would 'only' affect relations with the UK, and here one comes up against the point that if the UK leaves the EU, it can't expect things to be the same as they were before - whether that's music, the arts in general, or trade. Being 'sensible' or 'having the political will' doesn't really alter that fact that the freedom of movement of people &c all goes with belonging to the EU. Hence the possibility of a problem

Yes, maybe, but people travelled widely and worked in the 1960s. Not my types but they did. My understanding is that FOM was introduced largely to formally endorse Italians moving to Germany as part of German reconstruction. It wasn't as if the well-to-do didn't go off from London to the Left Bank, supporting themselves by being nannies, or to the Alps becoming ski instructors etc. Radio 4 is full of such memories. And if you flick through the list of MPs in 1979 - Dale Campbell Savours, Lab, Workington et al, it's all the Sorbonne, circa 1961-65. Germany was reconstructed. One pillar "evolved" into a different animal. I'd see it as the equivalent to the 2nd Amend re guns in America. Let us always have an unwritten constitution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italians_in_Germany

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Campbell-Savours

[MrGongGong]

Yes, maybe,

Yes, definitely
there is a huge problem for people working in music who want to go and work in many countries (the USA being one where individual members of bands and ensembles are seemingly randomly denied access). Freedom of movement within the EU has had considerable cultural benefits to both the UK and the rest of the EU.

[Richard Barrett]

(the USA being one where individual members of bands and ensembles are seemingly randomly denied access)

So is the UK, as I found earlier this year.

[Lat-Literal]

The last two posts say it all although neither gives examples.

One is an EU country and the other is not - and that is under the current system.

[Bryn]

Without naming the individual concerned, I can confirm what Richard mentions, as could anyone who attended one or more of the UK performances of his close-up earlier this year.

[MrGongGong]

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/10/britain-s-creative-sector-envy-world-and-brexiteers-are-wrecking-it

[gurnemanz]

https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...re-wrecking-it

Dispiriting for any arts enthusiast to have to read this, especially coming after Stephen Hawking's recent posthumous Trump/Brexit warnings. Just as dispiriting that so many Brexiteers won't give a damn.

[french frank]

https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...re-wrecking-it

Not keen on Lord Bragg, but that speech is a powerful one. But as gurnemanz says … there will be those who apparently 'don't give a damn'.

[teamsaint]

The EU culture sub programme will spend just over £1 per head PA after a significant increase.

Whereas the CAP budget , for example, is over £350 Bn.( £70 PPPA)

Kind of puts EU commitment to the arts into perspective, and how much of a damn ANY politicians give.

Which may not have anything directly to do with the current UK shambles , or FoM of course, but at least they are facts.

[Beef Oven!]

Dispiriting for any arts enthusiast to have to read this, especially coming after Stephen Hawking's recent posthumous Trump/Brexit warnings. Just as dispiriting that so many Brexiteers won't give a damn.

Many of us Brexiters do give damn, and many Remainers and politicians don't give two hoots about the arts. I don't think the arts is much of a priority for the EU anyway.

It would be wrong to imply that Leavers don't care about the arts and Remainers and the EU are the champions of the arts.

That Guardian piece is a summary of the unelected Lord Bragg's recent speech to other lords.

The speech is rather hysterical with reference to slavery and the contention that minority factions have been proved right, visa a visa majority factions down the years on all positive social developments. But I suppose that so long as he's taking an anti-Brexit stance, that's all that matters to some people.

First they came for the manufacturing industry, but I'm not a manufacturer, then they came for the arts...... lovely stuff from the unelected Lord Bragg!

A very silly speech that any self-respecting Remainer should distance themselves from.

[Bryn]

Beefy. I think you need a better grasp the etymology and full definition of "elected". Lord Bragg was not democratically elected, but he was elected to the Lords by virtue of being ennobled.

[Beef Oven!]

Lord Bragg was not democratically elected.

Exactly!