Arts in the UK post-Brexit

[ahinton]

Businesses are already trying to adapt, and actually adapting.. Modern business has to adapt and anticipate all the time. Its how it goes.
There aren’t many certainties for very many businesses.
Keep flexible. Maximise revenue streams, develop new products, ensure you have the best staff, reduce costs, widen the supplier and customer base, plenty that can be done, with no real downside.

I'm not suggesting that businesses cannot adapt or be flexible in their approaches; my point was that it's impossible to do this in current circumstances because the uncertainties are so great and widespread that it's nigh impossible for any business to determine what it might face and how best to address it, not least because that can change with the wind and will almost certainly continue to do so until either Brexit is put on the scrap heap where it deserves to be or there is a clear set of policies as to how a Brexit will be expected to work.

[french frank]

Or a Norway type of agreement

With freedom of movement, financial contribution to the EU and the right to speak, but not amend or vote, on EU business. But apart from that, yes, it would ease the situation.

[Beef Oven!]

With freedom of movement, financial contribution to the EU and the right to speak, but not amend or vote, on EU business. But apart from that, yes, it would ease the situation.

Wouldn't staying in as before be beter? I think it would. The Norway 'option' is pants, IMNSVHO.

[MrGongGong]

With freedom of movement, financial contribution to the EU and the right to speak, but not amend or vote, on EU business. But apart from that, yes, it would ease the situation.

Freedom of movement is maybe the main thing that directly benefits musical life in the UK and the rest of the EU.
Sadly this has been mistakenly aligned with the myths of vast numbers of people coming over here to "steal our jobs" which have been repeated so many times that people believe them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cgeXd5kRDg puts it better than I could.

[Beef Oven!]

Freedom of movement is maybe the main thing that directly benefits musical life in the UK and the rest of the EU.
Sadly this has been mistakenly aligned with the myths of vast numbers of people coming over here to "steal our jobs" which have been repeated so many times that people believe them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cgeXd5kRDg puts it better than I could.

Stick yer hand in yer own pocket and stump up the £23 million per day to give Tuvan throat singers 'freedom of movement'. Stop expecting it to be paid with other people's money.

[MrGongGong]

Stick yer hand in yer own pocket and stump up the £23 million per day to give Tuvan throat singers 'freedom of movement'. Stop expecting it to be paid with other people's money.

I see that out and out lies are still ok
but they are still lies chum

[Bryn]

Stick yer hand in yer own pocket and stump up the £23 million per day to give Tuvan throat singers 'freedom of movement'. Stop expecting it to be paid with other people's money.

[Beef Oven!]

We're using £23 million of tax-payers money per day for this ... ????

Please tell me this was before freedom of movement for EU citizens, Jihadists et al!!!!

[MrGongGong]

That's Sayan Bapa

Money well spent

[Serial_Apologist]

That's Sayan Bapa

Money well spent

I've been thinking, for some time now, that there must be two Beef Ovens posting on this forum: the open-minded one who welcomes and relishes avant-garde and experimental musics, and the other one who disses them and thinks we should get out of the EU.

[Bryn]

That's Sayan Bapa

Money well spent

Indeed. FVZ did not mess with third-raters. I recall his first meeting with Paddy Moloney on Radio 4's Midweek, of all situations. Of course, this was all before the non-binding referendum in which 37% of the electorate (i.e. 24% of the population) was held to legitimately represent the 'will of the people'.

[Beef Oven!]

I've been thinking, for some time now, that there must be two Beef Ovens posting on this forum: the open-minded one who welcomes and relishes avant-garde and experimental musics, and the other one who disses them and thinks we should get out of the EU.

There're two Beef Oven!s The one that narrow-mindedly chooses the music that he likes and doesn't care to spend too much time on musics that don't instantly appeal to him, and the other Beef Oven! that is reflective and open minded and thinks that a clean Brexit, withdrawing from the single market and its four prisons, the customs union and the jurisdiction of the fascist European court, would, having carefully considered all the options, be better for the citizens of the UK.

[ahinton]

We're using £23 million of tax-payers money per day for this ... ????

Boris Goodenough says that we should be ploughing it into the Neasden Holistic Sauna instead...

[Beef Oven!]

Boris Goodenough says that we should be ploughing it into the Neasden Holistic Sauna instead...

On that note, I shall now amble along to my local gym and have a lovely sauna and relaxing session in the steam room. I will remember to take my obas oil, talcum powder (I'm old school) shampoo and conditioner and all the other bits of nonsense that Mrs Oven! has accumilated from Body Shop etc. It's modern macho in the changing room, for me tonight

[ahinton]

There're two Beef Oven!s The one that narrow-mindedly chooses the music that he likes and doesn't care to spend too much time on musics that don't instantly appeal to him, and the other Beef Oven! that is reflective and open minded and thinks that a clean Brexit, withdrawing from the single market and its four prisons, the customs union and the jurisdiction of the fascist European court, would, having carefully considered all the options, be better for the citizens of the UK.

Many thanks for the helpful explanation.

Which one are you, if you don't mind my asking? - and which one came to a Sorabji performance in Oxford some time ago?

Oh and, by the way, could you explain, for someone evidently ignorant of such things, what those "four prisons" are? Many thanks ain advance!

Lastly, if the "European court" (by which I presume you to mean the European Court of Justice) is a "fascist jurisdiction", how would you assess the European Court of Human Rights, to whose jurisdiction UK will remain accountable whether or not it Brexits?