Arts in the UK post-Brexit

[Beef Oven!]

Also, is it 0,5 % of the EU Budget or 0,5 % of all combined budgets of EU countries? Meaning: is that money coming on top of the money member countries spend on their own or is it the average that EU countries spend?

Edit: looked it up, its 0,5 on top. So the UK's share of that would presumably be substantial, since it makes up about 16 % of the EU's GDP. 16% of the EU foreign aid would come to 2 billion US Dollars. Who will cover that in the future?

The country that gets most of the UK's very generous foreign aid money, Pakistan, has had a significant nuclear weapons programme for quite some time and became the seventh nation to develop a nuclear weapons capability (there are now nine states).

India, a previous big receiver of UK foreign aid, also developed a nuclear weapons capability and a space programme.

Pakistan seems to have conceded that their space-race with India's space programme, is now lost.

Bangladesh has also entered the space-race and hopes to catch Pakistan up.

A bit of a blow for people who believe our foreign aid is spent by recipients on medicine, food, shelter, vaccinations, etc.




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[DracoM]

Maybe one important thing to bear in mind
is that those politicians who seem to be the most ardent supporters of Brexit are also those who want to stop the UK giving money in aid
they are also the most keen supporters of the likes of Orban and co

Not the sort of people we should be snuggling up to at all

[french frank]

The country that gets most of the UK's very generous foreign aid money, Pakistan, has had a significant nuclear wepons programme for quite some time and became the seventh nation to develop a nuclear weapons capability (there are now nine states).

India, a previous big reciever of UK foreign aid, also developed a nuclear weapons capability and a space programme.

Pakistan seems to have conceded that their space-race with India's space programme, is now lost.

I don''t imagine the aid is handed over to governments to spend on nuclear weapons and such things. There are specific aims, such as fighting poverty, education

Of course, one could argue that if a country has the resources for a nuclear weapons programme, it should be addressing its social problems itself. A somewhat brutal argument given that the government is not addressing these problems.

Anyway, don't knock it; we have nuclear weapons and may well be begging for foreign aid to help with our social problems pretty soon.

[Beef Oven!]

Which politicians who are ardent supporters of Brexit are the most keen supporters of Orban?

And whis the "co" that they aslo support?

[french frank]

Which politicians who are ardent supporters of Brexit are the most keen supporters of Orban?

Yes, I'd like to know that too. The MEPS who voted to support him may well be against Brexit since they stand to lose their pay, expenses, pensions….

Edit: Does Nigel Farage count as a politician? He's a very keen supporter of Victor Orban.

[Beef Oven!]

I don't imagine the aid is handed over to governments to spend on nuclear weapons and such things. There are specific aims, such as fighting poverty, education

Not sure that what you say has any sensible meaning. We are fully aware that these countries are funding nuclear weapons programmes and the Pakistan space space programme, for example.

Of course, one could argue that if a country has the resources for a nuclear weapons programme, it should be addressing ts social problems itself. A somewhat brutal argument given that the government is not addressing these problems.

This isn't a brutal argument at all. You are actually saying that if the Pakistani government willfully neglects its people, it is the responsibility of the British government to take on the responsibility for the welfare of the Pakistan population and for the British tax payer to pay for it.

Anyway, don't knock it; we have nuclear weapons and may well be begging for foreign aid to help with our social problems pretty soon.

A silly comment that I nearly ignored

[Beef Oven!]

Yes, I'd like to know that too. The MEPS who voted to support him may well be against Brexit since they stand to lose their pay, expenses, pensions….

They didn't vote to support him, they voted against sanctions against Hungarian people.

Not sure why Orban is being demonised. Is it simply because he wants to maintain the integrity of Hungary as a Christian nation-state and resists population issues that would change that? Hardly a crime, is it?

The Hungarian people want it that way, why not just leave them alone? Or must we dragoon all European people and nations into the format that suits our ideological world-outlook?


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[MrGongGong]

Not sure why Orban is being demonised. Is it simply because he wants to maintain the integrity of Hungary as a Christian nation-state and resists population issues that would change that? Hardly a crime, is it?

Because he is a faciliatator of violence against vulnerable people and is systematically dismantling the cultural instiututions of Hungary
a really nasty thug who relishes violence


One of the first things he did when he came to power was to produce maps of "Hungary" which included large parts of what is now Romania and other countries.
Dangerous and racist

[french frank]

Not sure that what you say has any sensible meaning. We are fully aware that these countries are funding nuclear weapons programmes and the Pakistan space space programme, for example.

It meant that the cash is not handed over to the governments. It's spent by various agencies working in the countries.

This isn't a brutal argument at all. You are actually saying that if the Pakistani government willfully neglects its people, it is the responsibility of the British government to take on the responsibility for the welfare of the Pakistan population and for the British tax payer to pay for it.

No, of course, I'm not saying that. But do you even understand the concept of 'humanity', of giving help, unconditionally, where it's needed?

A silly comment that I nearly ignored

I do apologise. It was just intended as a facetious remark. I would not have taken offence if you'd ignored it.

[Beef Oven!]

Because he is a faciliatator of violence against vulnerable people and is systematically dismantling the cultural instiututions of Hungary
a really nasty thug who relishes violence


One of the first things he did when he came to power was to produce maps of "Hungary" which included large parts of what is now Romania and other countries.
Dangerous and racist

You are accusing him of having expansionist ambitions? Hmm.

Why are you focusing on him? For example, you've been silent on Tayyip who has left everyone standing in terms of the things that trouble you.

[MrGongGong]

You are accusing him of having expansionist ambitions? Hmm.

Why are you focusing on him? For example, you've been silent on Tayyip who has left everyone standing in terms of the things that trouble you.

I'm not
I just know about what he has been doing through working there in the past and knowing many people involved in new music in Budapest
where now there is very little going on due to Orban.
You might like racist liars who enjoy violence against the vulnerable but I don't

[Bryn]

You are accusing him of having expansionist ambitions? Hmm.

Why are you focusing on him? For example, you've been silent on Tayyip who has left everyone standing in terms of the things that trouble you.

The country he democratically dictates over is not in the EU, not likely to be, while his policies obtain.

[Beef Oven!]

The country he democratically dictates over is not in the EU, not likely to be, while his policies obtain.

You are right on the geography, but possibly naive on the politics (EU membership).

[Beef Oven!]

I'm not
I just know about what he has been doing through working there in the past and knowing many people involved in new music in Budapest
where now there is very little going on due to Orban.
You might like racist liars who enjoy violence against the vulnerable but I don't

Good that you are not.

If Orban is a racist then lots of us who agree with him are, and I don't think that can be true.

[french frank]

You are right on the geography, but possibly naive on the politics (EU membership).

Last month the EU cancelled its €70m pre-accession funding to Turkey:

"…the Commission's annual report on Turkey, published on 17 April 2018, concluded that “Turkey has been significantly moving away from the European Union, in particular in the areas of the rule of law and fundamental rights and through the weakening of effective checks and balances in the political system”.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20180924IPR14223/no-improvement-in-respect-for-eu-values-meps-cut-support-for-turkey-by-EU70m

I feel Bryn was proabably correct.