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  • Beef Oven!
    Ex-member
    • Sep 2013
    • 18147

    Originally posted by aeolium
    Do you, then, agree with Conchis' characterisation of all those who voted Leave - over 17 million of them - as racist and xenophobic? That seems outrageously insulting, and strange given that those defending free EU movement are supporting a system which privileges the migration rights of mainly white Europeans over mainly non-white non-Europeans.

    I have tried to provide economic context and explanation for why people voted as they did in 2016, and also why there is such widespread discontent and political volatility on the continent of Europe (indeed, throughout the Western world). Clearly it is pointless to discuss this with people who merely want to rage against the referendum vote and seem to think that this background can be ignored in discussing the merits of EU membership.
    Have you seen this, regarding why people voted to leave?
    A showcase of research by Professor Paul Whiteley from the Department of Government which analyses a decade’s worth of survey data to determine why Britain voted for Brexit.

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    • Lat-Literal
      Guest
      • Aug 2015
      • 6983

      Originally posted by Beef Oven!
      You keep hitting my memory buttons!

      John Peel, Ivor Cutlor!!!!!!
      I do have quite a lot of cousins.

      I've never counted them but it's probably 27.

      We don't have anything to do with each other and luckily we have never had any rows.

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      • MrGongGong
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 18357

        so again

        Reckless, hypocritical, deluded, mendacious and chauvinist as they are, the Brexiteers found a real set of circumstances...

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        • Beef Oven!
          Ex-member
          • Sep 2013
          • 18147

          Back on topic, this looks interesting. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-43867724

          This BBC Newsbeat item highlights a facility, carnets, that the government along with our EU neighbours could adjust in order to ensure as much of the frictionless European touring of UK ensembles/orchestras/pop groups etc, continues.

          Straight off the top of my head I can think of several ways to flex existing carnets so that it would be very close to the current freedom of movement scenario.

          To quote Angela Merkel on European people movement challenges "Wir schaffen das"

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          • Beef Oven!
            Ex-member
            • Sep 2013
            • 18147

            Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
            Yes, the referendum was very much about identity.

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            • vinteuil
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 12973

              Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
              ... thank you, MrGongGong for this. I much appreciated this article.

              .

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              • MrGongGong
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 18357

                Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                Back on topic, this looks interesting. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-43867724
                :


                So the key phrase being

                "I think the more established acts will be able to financially deal with this [the cost of touring in Europe] without too much trouble."
                "It's the smaller acts who will have to think twice"."

                Aaah yes wrestling control away from the "elites" again
                so it's no problem for U2 and chums BUT a huge one for the rest of us

                What a HUGE surprise

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                • ahinton
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 16123

                  Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                  Yes, the referendum was very much about identity.
                  I don't think that it was about English identity, though - at least not to the Scots, Welsh, Northern Irish and those from elsewhere who live in UK!

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                  • Richard Barrett
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                    • Jan 2016
                    • 6259

                    Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                    so it's no problem for U2 and chums BUT a huge one for the rest of us
                    Quite. But the Remain case isn't really helped very much by unfounded scare stories about UK citizens after Brexit having to have visas to travel to France etc. UK citizens don't need visas to travel to Switzerland or Norway, for example, or for that matter Serbia (although Serbian citizens do require one for the UK).

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                    • Beef Oven!
                      Ex-member
                      • Sep 2013
                      • 18147

                      Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                      ... thank you, MrGongGong for this. I much appreciated this article.

                      .
                      It's not an article, it's a very biased essay that agrees with your own views. That's why you like it.

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                      • MrGongGong
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 18357

                        Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                        Quite. But the Remain case isn't really helped very much by unfounded scare stories about UK citizens after Brexit having to have visas to travel to France etc. UK citizens don't need visas to travel to Switzerland or Norway, for example, or for that matter Serbia (although Serbian citizens do require one for the UK).
                        What is unclear is whether we will need visas to travel and work.
                        Sure it's fine to go on holiday but ?

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                        • Bryn
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 24688

                          Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                          I don't think that it was about English identity, though - at least not to the Scots, Welsh, Northern Irish and those from elsewhere who live in UK!
                          Yes, but you have to bear in mind that Beefy is just following the footsteps of Lenin, who regarded the decidedly Scottish John Mclean as English.

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                          • Lat-Literal
                            Guest
                            • Aug 2015
                            • 6983

                            Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                            What is unclear is whether we will need visas to travel and work.
                            Sure it's fine to go on holiday but ?
                            I just don't think we know enough about visas. If the public were told that there was a woman called Mariza who wanted to come in from Portugal to sing for a night in a Wiltshire field, 99+ people out of a hundred people would oppose her being stopped from doing so. I can't see why the reverse should be different. We need to be told what the new situation will be.

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                            • MrGongGong
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 18357

                              Originally posted by Lat-Literal View Post
                              I just don't think we know enough about visas. If the public were told that there was a woman called Mariza who wanted to come in from Portugal to sing for a night in a Wiltshire field, 99+ people out of a hundred people would oppose her being stopped from doing so. I can't see why the reverse should be any different. We need to be told what the new situation will be.
                              Once again (and I know who she is) I haven't the faintest idea what you are on about

                              10 accross: "Piece of equipment I can change inside cooker, say"

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                              • Beef Oven!
                                Ex-member
                                • Sep 2013
                                • 18147

                                Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post


                                So the key phrase being

                                "I think the more established acts will be able to financially deal with this [the cost of touring in Europe] without too much trouble."
                                "It's the smaller acts who will have to think twice"."

                                Aaah yes wrestling control away from the "elites" again
                                so it's no problem for U2 and chums BUT a huge one for the rest of us

                                What a HUGE surprise
                                Ok, so the big acts will have no problem. Good, I think we know that anyway, they never did and they never will.

                                Now the smaller acts. A huge problem for the rest of us? we don't know that and as Richard says, we don't know what the visa arrangements will be, they may not be a show-stopper (no pun intended). Instead of immediately giving up and saying that it's all impossible, we should try and think of a way through this. Carnets are used by non-EU ensembles and an adapted version could be used by UK groups, post-Brexit, that could enable almost the same frictionless movement that we currently enjoy.


                                P.S. U2 are from the Irish Republic.

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