Arts in the UK post-Brexit

[Bryn]

ACTUALLY:

Most people who voted, voted to leave the European Union.

Yes, just 37% of the electorate, less than 2% more than bothered to vote to stay. Not exactly a firm ground for claims to "will of the people" for either side.

[Lat-Literal]

All real MrGG. Sister, brother, cousins, uncles, mum. We are all either 50% continental Europeans by blood or 100%. And we have all travelled extensively in Europe and worked there too.

I am very happy to offer my services to orchestral managers if they experience problems post Brexit. Easy money actually. Done it before in the nineties with engineers and subsequently with other professional disciplines. It's the actual music and culture that I would bow to their and your greater expertise. Life works better when we all stick to the things we do best and work as a team, so I'll stay away from that side of the business.

And in our twenties my sister and I got a little rowing boat in the sea near the Trieste coast and ended up rowing along the coast to a Yugoslavian resort and had landed with now passports and had a marvellous sea food lunch and couple of beers for half the price that we were paying in Italy. So we went back a few times, but by bus because the rowing boat thing was an incredibly dangerous thing to do. If I had an imaginary female in my life, I wouldn't make it a sister, if you know what I mean.

I very much enjoyed this post about you and your sister...…..I wish I had had a sister with whom I had done the same.

[teamsaint]

I don't agree
the word ALL means something
There is more than trade
strange that i've been working for several years on a pan EU project involving 7 partners which according to you doesn't count
strange thing because someone has been putting money into my bank account for the work i've done
but i'm obviously imagining it
as are all the other musicians I know who have been working on this and similar projects

It’s ALL about trade in the negotiations. Of course the crumbs that go to culture are important to those that get them. Obviously.
Poetic license. But only a little.

“ according to you” .

[Beef Oven!]

Yes, just 37% of the electorate ......

Good grief, then practically no-one voted to remain!

[Beef Oven!]

I very much enjoyed this post about you and your sister...…..I wish I had had a sister with whom I had done the same.

I actually wanted to hang out with my older brother, but he could never be pinned down

[Bryn]

Good grief, then practically no-one voted to remain!

If a differential of less than 2% means practically no-one voted to remain, then it would also mean that practically on-one voted to leave. Simple Beefy arithmetic.

[Beef Oven!]

If a differential of less than 2% means practically no-one voted to remain, then it would also mean that practically on-one voted to leave. Simple Beefy arithmetic.

In fact, there probably wasn't even a referendum!

Brynology at its finest

[Bryn]

In fact, there probably wasn't even a referendum!

Brynology at its finest

Well, not one which can legitimately claim to have represented "the will of the people", anyway. Oh, and it was you who introduced the "practically no-one" nonsense. I just followed it up to show how silly it was.

[Beef Oven!]

Well, not one which can legitimately claim to have represented "the will of the people"

What? The biggest turnout at the polls for over quarter of a century, 72.2 % and most of them voted for Brexit?

It was a drubbin'. Remain got one helluva beatin'

[Lat-Literal]

I actually wanted to hang out with my older brother, but he could never be pinned down

Pluses and minuses.

Not having brothers or sisters, I could fly in from my then uncritical radio listening island and expect to be received as radio and others to be the radio as it seemed. Whenever the going got tough, I could fly back again. Now the radio has turned awfully but I did experience enough of the benefits of interaction which go with the rough and the smooth. I can see how I was grabbed by dry concepts of Community. Had I been in a communal arrangement with Juncker and Tusk, there would have been more arguments than boating, unless it was of the refugee sort when the two elide. I'm not alone. Ivor Cutler celebrated being other worldly. He, though released more records than I did - I did one - and was championed by John Peel.

[Bryn]

What are they Bryn?.

No, they are not Bryn.

[Beef Oven!]

Quitters is far more apposite to their/your case.

No, no. I'll keep going there, enjoying the life and will always be a European.

[Beef Oven!]

This is interesting. I missed it first time round. Not everyone will agree with everything, but at least it talks directly to the musicians and bands ..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-43867724

[Bryn]

No, no. I'll keep going there, enjoying the life and will always be a European.

O.k., European disunionists, then.

[french frank]

It is possible to have cultural links, political links, military cooperation, travel, work, go on holiday, live, etc without being a member of the EU.

It has been in the past because we were members of the EU. But as the EU has made clear, since joint law has been the cement that has guaranteed all these thing over the past 40 years, opting out of the treaties and their conditions means that they will, ordinarily speaking, not continue - unless the UK agrees to the EU's basic conditions, which it doesn't want to do. As far as I can see, the main reasons for this are that:

a) the UK wishes to make bilateral trade agreements with countries with whom the EU does not already have agreements

b) the UK does not want EU citizens coming to work and live in the UK in the numbers in which they have been doing.

One point that strikes me as very interesting, living in an area where there have been Polish, Italian and Irish communities for several generations, is how well educated the young arrivals are, even if they are doing lower-skilled work. They speak excellent English, they are extremely courteous and tidy and they work very hard: obviously, they should be prevented from coming and competing for jobs as they have an unfair advantage.

Conchis:

I quite agree about the futility of continuing the debate Especially when I take the trouble to find factual evidence and my posts are thereafter either ignored or buried under the lengthy exchange of briefly worded hostilities