Would YOU stand for the Hallelujah chorus?

[cloughie]

Touché Cloughie, but
a. whom or what is one respecting? (I am aware there may be faux-amis, or connotations lost in translation).
b. What is Trelawny?

In Trelawny respecting the Cornish, National Anthem the Queen, and HC more tradition but respect for GFH for a good rousing tune!


Trelawny is the Cornish National Anthem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzKMXKui7XA

TRELAWNY
A good sword and a trusty hand!
A merry heart and true!
King James's men shall understand
What Cornish lads can do!
And have they fixed the where and when?
And shall Trelawny die?
Here's twenty thousand Cornish men
Will know the reason why!



And shall Trelawny live?
Or shall Trelawny die?
Here's twenty thousand Cornish men
Will know the reason why!
Out spake their Captain brave and bold:
A merry wight was he:
Though London Tower were Michael's hold,
We'll set Trelawny free!
'We'll cross the Tamar, land to land:
The Severn is no stay:
With "one and all," and hand in hand;
And who shall bid us nay?



And shall Trelawny live?
Or shall Trelawny die?
Here's twenty thousand Cornish men
Will know the reason why!
And when we come to London Wall,
A pleasant sight to view,
Come forth! come forth! ye cowards all:
Here's men as good as you.
'Trelawny he's in keep and hold;
Trelawny he may die:
Here's twenty thousand Cornish bold
Will know the reason why



And shall Trelawny live?
Or shall Trelawny die?
Here's twenty thousand Cornish men
Will know the reason why!

[Richard Tarleton]

Tho' a Cornishman he was Bishop of Bristol....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Bishops

Another good tune arising from this era was Lillibulero...

[oddoneout]

this particular year I had been somewhat tawdry

I'm sure you do yourself a disservice by describing yourself thus, even allowing for the typical student's somewhat casual approach to matters of dress....

[Padraig]

I'm sure you do yourself a disservice by describing yourself thus, even allowing for the typical student's somewhat casual approach to matters of dress....

Maybe he meant 'tiddley' considering the season?

[ostuni]

other performances I've been involved in, I've either been in the choir and/or playing Timps, so have been standing anyway!

That sums up my Messiah experiences too, except that, with a little pair of baroque timps, I'm usually seated. As I was last night, in Gloucester Cathedral. However, their heating is on the blink at the moment, so I'm sure the audience (who did stand) were glad of any little exertion to warm them up!

[Alain Maréchal]

Trelawny is the Cornish National Anthem:

a. Is Cornwall a Nation?
b. What is/was Michael's Hold?
c. did the other Bishops receive similar support?

[cloughie]

a. Is Cornwall a Nation?
b. What is/was Michael's Hold?
c. did the other Bishops receive similar support?

Answers
a Not officially but many Cornish believe it is or it should be and would favour much greater devolution than is being offered by the Westminster government. The current proposal for boundary changes which would create a parliamentary constituency which would combine part of North Cornwall with West Devon is very unwelcome by the Cornish people.

b I have sung the line hundreds of times and never thought to ask - I will try to find out from my Cornish friends.

c I don't think other bishops had Trelawny's woes or indeed such popular support.

[bluestateprommer]

The tradition of standing for the Hallelujah Chorus survives in this part of the world, and I have no problem with it.

Likewise, here on this side of the pond, the tradition survives very well indeed, if the 5 live Messiahs that I've seen over the years are anything to go by. I'm the village non-believer, so I personally would not stand if it were just me involved. However, with a large audience, that is not the case, so I go with the crowd. As EA and Tapiola noted, it does no harm, and is a perfectly fine communal gesture.

Interestingly, on a recent tour of the US by the choir of Gonville & Caius College, the choir director, Geoffrey Webber, specifically asked the audience not to stand for their stand-alone performance of the "Hallelujah" chorus. So we got to break tradition in that way, with permission .

[Dave2002]

I stood up a couple of years ago for this great peace and yes it's a nice tradition and should be upheld, imo.

I think I did too, but why?

[P. G. Tipps]

I wouldn't stand for any of this religious nonsense!

Handel? ... Bah!

[BBMmk2]

Nothing to do with religious nonsense at all. Historians have thought that it could have been to do with George II's aches pains and couldn't sit down any longer and needed to stand for a while, as you would have to and ofcourse being a king, protocol demands hat everyone should stand as well!

[jean]

I have just heard the most unusual arrangement ever, the culmination of Red Priest's version of Messiah, as part of their Christmas concert. A taster here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UylgxuAxzk

Everyone in the audience loved it, but nobody stood.

[Dave2002]

I have just heard the most unusual arrangement ever, the culmination of Red Priest's version of Messiah, as part of their Christmas concert. A taster here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UylgxuAxzk

Everyone in the audience loved it, but nobody stood.

But no Hallelujah Chorus ...

Red Priest are brilliant - glad you enjoyed them. That CD could find it's way onto my Christmas list. If the HC is on it, I won't be standing, nor for any of the other recordings I might play.

[jean]

They end their Messiah with the Hallelujah Chorus music but not actually as a chorus, if that's what you mean!

Even so, I was surpised at how sometimes you can almost hear the words in their playing.

[Serial_Apologist]

But no Hallelujah Chorus ...

Red Priest are brilliant - glad you enjoyed them. That CD could find it's way onto my Christmas list. If the HC is on it, I won't be standing, nor for any of the other recordings I might play.

Am I right in thinking that the Hallelujah Chorus is not really included in the Advent/Christmas part of The Messiah, but in the Passion section? At school we only ever sang it before Easter.