Bob Dylan wins Nobel Literature Prize

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  • DracoM
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    • Mar 2007
    • 12965

    #91
    Well, yes, Bob it may be, but, sorry, actually this is calculated and very viral public shrug insolence, 'I am the Bob, so who the hell are you?' type unpleasantness, or so it looks to me.

    Bet that deters the Nobel people from giving it to Sting.

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    • vinteuil
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 12801

      #92
      ... but did the Nobel people have the common courtesy to ask the Bob whether or not he wd actually like to receive the Prize?

      At least here they ask you whether you wd accept it before offering a knighthood etc - they don't thrust it on you unasked : you have a chance to decline it beforehand gracefully...





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      Last edited by vinteuil; 28-10-16, 10:55.

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 30261

        #93
        Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
        ... but did the Nobel people have the common courtesy to ask the Bob whether or not he wd actually like to receive the Prize?

        At least here they ask you whether you wd accept it before offering a knighthood etc - they don't thrust it on you unasked : you have a chance to decline it beforehand gracefully...
        That is indeed the case: you could say the inflated self-importance seems to be on both sides. Though fair play to Bob, I don't suppose everyone would turn down a quarter of a million to show their disdain.
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • Richard Tarleton

          #94
          Interesting perspective from NYT http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/26/op...s-silence.html

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          • johncorrigan
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 10351

            #95
            Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
            Thanks for that one, Richard.
            Bob's spilling the beans to the Telegraph this morning. Speechless he says.


            ...bit like this one then.
            Bob Dylan was asked to present a Juno award, but it didn't go so well. Yikes!If you like my videos and want to support my work, check out my Patreon here: ht...

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            • Anastasius
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              • Mar 2015
              • 1842

              #96
              Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post

              ".....accept the authority of the Swedish Academy...."

              Tosh! Dylan's arrogance was breathtaking and now he is back-pedalling.



              Fewer Smart things. More smart people.

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              • doversoul1
                Ex Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 7132

                #97
                Originally posted by Anastasius View Post
                ".....accept the authority of the Swedish Academy...."

                Tosh! Dylan's arrogance was breathtaking and now he is back-pedalling.



                In an interview with the paper he described the prize as "amazing, incredible".
                "It's hard to believe. Whoever dreams about something like that?" the paper quoted him as saying.

                Bob Dylan finally acknowledges his Nobel Prize in literature, saying the news left him "speechless".


                It would be interesting to hear how he said this.

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                • french frank
                  Administrator/Moderator
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 30261

                  #98
                  Is Dylan, as a poet, the equivalent of someone like Robert Burns?
                  It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                    Gone fishin'
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 30163

                    #99
                    Originally posted by french frank View Post
                    Is Dylan, as a poet, the equivalent of someone like Robert Burns?
                    Ooh! Good idea - my immediate response is to agree.
                    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                    • johncorrigan
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 10351

                      Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                      Ooh! Good idea - my immediate response is to agree. :bubblus laughy:
                      Me too! Bob certainly is a collector, has shown the abiltity to tell great stories, to write beautiful love songs, make us laugh, much like Burns ...and I reckon Bob would be happy to be compared with Rabbie. Don't think he's written anything about a haggis, mind you.

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                      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                        Gone fishin'
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 30163

                        Originally posted by johncorrigan View Post
                        Don't think he's written anything about a haggis, mind you.
                        No - he's made it very clear that he ain't gonna work on the haggis farm no more.
                        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                        • gurnemanz
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                          • Nov 2010
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                          I would say Bob is not essentially a poet, though much of his output is "poetic". He writes mainly in the spoken idiom, not in the literary style, (like Burns) - "It ain't me, babe." The texts are there to be sung not read and his delivery is often more like speaking than finely honed singing - "How does it feel, to be on your own, with no direction home ...". Professor Ricks, referred to earlier in this thread, has warned against calling his songs literature. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/wha...terature-is-d/

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                          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                            Gone fishin'
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 30163

                            Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                            The texts are there to be sung not read and his delivery is often more like speaking than finely honed singing
                            I think that your comment here admirably demonstrates how the lyrics play with genres: sung but not read, but sung in a way more closely related to speech. This puts them in a different "category" from those of, say, Bernie Taupin - and points to the literary merit that the (now-sounding-distinctly-peeved) awarding committee discerned in them.

                            So - should/does the lyrics' connection with the Music disqualify them from being considered for a Literary prize? If so, then the work of playwrights needs to be similarly disqualified, as the words there are (or should be) as connected to the extra-literary theatrical conditions for which they were written.
                            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                            • Bryn
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 24688

                              Back in the 1960s, books of Robert Zimmerman's poems (as against Robert Zimmermann's) were to be found in many a bookshop. Where did they go?

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                              • subcontrabass
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 2780

                                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                                Is Dylan, as a poet, the equivalent of someone like Robert Burns?
                                From the lyrics that have been posted in various places by his fans, the person who comes to my mind is William McGonagall.

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