Sad times

[ahinton]

I didn't have much, did I?

Did you really expect to?

[jean]

Dum spiro, spero.

[P. G. Tipps]

Did you really expect to?

Melius tu nosti, ahinton!

[MrGongGong]

and was a neo-Nazi, and had been so since at least the 1990s - when immigration concerns hardly figured in political debate.

I guess you were in another country in the 1990's then

If you look at the UKIP poster (the one they will try and hide now, you know the one here http://indy100.independent.co.uk/ima...27-1a0i9s8.jpg) you can see where the link and inspiration comes from.
Which ISN'T saying that everyone who wants to leave the EU is a racist bigot BUT if you dress up like a policeman don't be surprised when people call you "officer"

[french frank]

I’m proposing (no doubt to some people’s dismay), and against my better judgement, to reopen the thread on the referendum debate (to be retitled: ‘Referendum’) tomorrow. I would ask you to focus on the options: which issues weigh with you when coming to a decision, why you regard them as more important than others &c.

I spent most of yesterday sorting out complaints behind the scenes and justifying moderation decisions: I don’t want to have to do that for the rest of the week because anger substitutes for argument when people are posting. And please don’t resort to bad language or attack other members because of the views they express: it doesn’t help. Not easy, but please try.

For now, can we leave the matter for another place?

[Serial_Apologist]

I’m proposing (no doubt to some people’s dismay), and against my better judgement, to reopen the thread on the referendum debate (to be retitled: ‘Referendum’) tomorrow. I would ask you to focus on the options: which issues weigh with you when coming to a decision, why you regard them as more important than others &c.

I spent most of yesterday sorting out complaints behind the scenes and justifying moderation decisions: I don’t want to have to do that for the rest of the week because anger substitutes for argument when people are posting. And please don’t resort to bad language or attack other members because of the views they express: it doesn’t help. Not easy, but please try.

For now, can we leave the matter for another place?

For that I would be most grateful, thanks ff.

For one thing, for all the knockabout, there ain't much of a debate of any kind that's helping me finally come to a decision other than here.

If people (including me) could keep their outrage to themselves, it's only for another 5 days. After that, there'll be every reason to shut us up.

[Nick Armstrong]

I’m proposing (no doubt to some people’s dismay), and against my better judgement, to reopen the thread on the referendum debate (to be retitled: ‘Referendum’) tomorrow. I would ask you to focus on the options: which issues weigh with you when coming to a decision, why you regard them as more important than others &c.

I spent most of yesterday sorting out complaints behind the scenes and justifying moderation decisions: I don’t want to have to do that for the rest of the week because anger substitutes for argument when people are posting. And please don’t resort to bad language or attack other members because of the views they express: it doesn’t help. Not easy, but please try.

For now, can we leave the matter for another place?

[ahinton]

Melius tu nosti, ahinton!

Whether or not I know, I make an assumption.

Anyway, what's with it wiv you people wot gotten a publik skule ejucayshun?

[ahinton]

Dum spiro, spero.

Or, to put it another way, don't hold your breath...

[ahinton]

For that I would be most grateful, thanks ff.

For one thing, for all the knockabout, there ain't much of a debate of any kind that's helping me finally come to a decision other than here.

If people (including me) could keep their outrage to themselves, it's only for another 5 days. After that, there'll be every reason to shut us up.

Agreed wholeheartedly - except for that last bit it in the unlikely event of a dead heat, peut-être...

[Flosshilde]

Amazing news that the Democrats are holding a sit-in in the House of Representatives, demanding a vote on two mild gun control motions. Also Amazing that it's being refused by the Speaker (a Republican, I think)

[Serial_Apologist]

Amazing news that the Democrats are holding a sit-in in the House of Representatives, demanding a vote on two mild gun control motions. Also Amazing that it's being refused by the Speaker (a Republican, I think)

I wonder what will happen if Trump gets elected President. Back to Wild West conditions, no doubt.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I wonder what will happen if Trump gets elected President. Back to Wild West conditions, no doubt.

And that's just in the House of Representatives!

[Richard Barrett]

I wonder what will happen if Trump gets elected President. Back to Wild West conditions, no doubt.

But this is as likely as Farage becoming prime minister last year, if not even less so - of course the media are making a big song and dance about it because Trump makes such good copy, but even if he weren't an egomaniacal lying buffoon, his strategy of relying almost completely on social media, public meetings and soundbites, which might have worked in the primaries, isn't going to pan out so well nationally - if the Republicans actually allow him to run as their candidate. So no worries there I think. Which means the USA will get a Republican president anyway, though for some reason she's running for the Democrats.

[teamsaint]

But this is as likely as Farage becoming prime minister last year, if not even less so - of course the media are making a big song and dance about it because Trump makes such good copy, but even if he weren't an egomaniacal lying buffoon, his strategy of relying almost completely on social media, public meetings and soundbites, which might have worked in the primaries, isn't going to pan out so well nationally - if the Republicans actually allow him to run as their candidate. So no worries there I think. Which means the USA will get a Republican president anyway, though for some reason she's running for the Democrats.

thanks Richard, I have just realised what it was that 3 years studying American History did to me....