The late Earl of Onslow and the Beeb

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  • hmvman
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    • Mar 2007
    • 1150

    The late Earl of Onslow and the Beeb

    While casually reading this obituary for the Earl of Onslow http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obit...of-Onslow.html my attention was caught by the following paragraph:
    "Onslow brought hip hop, acid house and thrash metal to Radio 3, in a series of programmes explaining them. Twice – in 1999 and 2007 – he appeared on Have I Got News for You, holding his own against the resident satirists. But he never fulfilled his ambition of declaiming Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire in instalments on Radio 1."

    Hmmm, yes, it's as many of us have suspected; ok to inflict pop music on R3 listeners but not ok to inflict a different culture on the 'yoof'
  • Flosshilde
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    • Nov 2010
    • 7988

    #2
    It could be argued that Radio 3's remit is to cover cultural life, so programmes explaining particular forms of music would be perfectly reasonable, whereas (I assume) that Radio 1's remit is simply to play pop music, which would make it difficult to fit Gibbon's Decline & fall ... in.

    I wonder if the obituary writer saw the irony in this statement -
    "He had first shown his love of animals while at Eton by exhibiting canaries at Olympia; now he gave full vent to his passions for wildlife and country sports. Onslow hunted in Leicestershire with the Fernie and organised shoots on his own estate" and "the horse [lent to Lord Onslow by its owner]was seen in very poor condition in a field at Clandon."

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    • hmvman
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      • Mar 2007
      • 1150

      #3
      You're probably right, Flosshilde, but it touched a nerve!

      Yes, one of the most entertaining obits I've read in a while. Another great British eccentric gone.

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      • Richard Tarleton

        #4
        Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post
        I wonder if the obituary writer saw the irony in this statement -
        "He had first shown his love of animals while at Eton by exhibiting canaries at Olympia; now he gave full vent to his passions for wildlife and country sports. Onslow hunted in Leicestershire with the Fernie and organised shoots on his own estate" and "the horse [lent to Lord Onslow by its owner]was seen in very poor condition in a field at Clandon."
        Flossie, I'm reminded of the late Alec Douglas Home, Lord Home of The Hirsel and erstwhile PM. In one passage in his memoirs he describes his passion for shooting golden plover (a particularly challenging quarry, as they fly fast and high) and in the very next sentence says "We were all conservationists then". (I didn't read the memoirs, this was picked out by a revierwer at the time).

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        • amateur51

          #5
          Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
          Flossie, I'm reminded of the late Alec Douglas Home, Lord Home of The Hirsel and erstwhile PM.
          And Baillie Vass in Private Eye

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          • Don Basilio
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            • Nov 2010
            • 320

            #6
            I'm reminded how Nancy Mitford's Radlett children (based on her own family) loved hunting and all sort of animals. It seems odd, but it did happen.

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            • Richard Tarleton

              #7
              Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
              And Baillie Vass in Private Eye

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              • Bryn
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                • Mar 2007
                • 24688

                #8
                Bloody townies! Where would the country's upland moorland be without the management associated with grouse shooting?

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                • Richard Tarleton

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                  Bloody townies! Where would the country's upland moorland be without the management associated with grouse shooting?
                  Not a townie Bryn - check my profile! Our grouse moors are the result of a particular form of land management which in turn reflects a particular socio-economic construct and set of cultural values. Of course they have great biodiversity value, although the commercial requirements of grouse shooting unfortunately require their owners to do their best to exterminate that last few breeding pairs of hen harriers in the country. Unfortunately the above earls belong to a particular type of conservationist that does not recognise the concepts of "top predator" or "food chain" (other than the one ending in top London restaurants), and which categorises any bird or mammal which competes with their economic interests as "vermin".

                  Our uplands were once clad in forests. There are interesting experiments afoot to "re-wild" some of our uplands - grousemoors are by no means the only model for them.
                  Last edited by Guest; 18-05-11, 13:57. Reason: typo

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                  • Bryn
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                    • Mar 2007
                    • 24688

                    #10
                    Quite, Richard, hence the "". . That said the stroll up from the Snake Inn to Fairbrook Naze would not be the same delight if fully forested (with trees, that is - definitions of "forest" vary greatly).

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                    • vinteuil
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 13064

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                      :
                      Our uplands were once clad in forests. .
                      Indeed they were - as were indeed many of the southron downs and wealds.

                      I have to say I prefer them deforested, naked moors of heather, sheep-nibbled turf, occasional bracken, rather than any Germanic ur-wald. I like to be able to see the bones of my hills and mountains... a similar aesthetic lies behind my preference for Bach on the harpsichord rather than on a woolly Blüthner...

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                      • Flosshilde
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 7988

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                        Bloody townies! Where would the country's upland moorland be without the management associated with grouse shooting?
                        It would be in its natural state, with trees & shrubs, & a greater diversity of wildlife & habitat. Moors 'maintained' for grouse shooting are burnt every couple of years to prevent the heather growing too high (the grouse can't reach the tips, which they eat) & represents as much of a monoculture as intensively farmed weat prairies.

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                        • Richard Tarleton

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                          Quite, Richard, hence the "". . That said the stroll up from the Snake Inn to Fairbrook Naze would not be the same delight if fully forested (with trees, that is - definitions of "forest" vary greatly).
                          Sorry, leapt on to my high horse too quickly
                          Not sure about this pic - looks as if overgrazing by sheep may be a large part of the story here? Looks a bit bald to me.

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                          • Flosshilde
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 7988

                            #14
                            And me - and I also didn't continue reading the thread before firing of my response, otherwise I would have seen that you had already made the same point, Richard

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                            • Richard Tarleton

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post
                              And me - and I also didn't continue reading the thread before firing of my response, otherwise I would have seen that you had already made the same point, Richard
                              I'm a primaeval forest man myself - here are some of my favourites. You have to go east to find them......

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