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  • AuntDaisy
    Host
    • Jun 2018
    • 1663

    Originally posted by french frank View Post
    I can't explain why CFM has suffered an indisputable loss of listeners...
    Clearly due to de-Bott-ification.


    "It’s water, honest - drinking the health of the world’s greatest music"

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    • french frank
      Administrator/Moderator
      • Feb 2007
      • 30319

      Originally posted by AuntDaisy View Post
      Clearly due to de-Bott-ification.
      Has she been botted out? Perhaps she'll come back to R3?
      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 30319

        Originally posted by french frank View Post

        Has she been botted out? Perhaps she'll come back to R3?
        Ah:

        "It's quite a year for presenters leaving radio stations, and I've (kind of, discussing possible specials tomorrow) joined their number. Am heartened by supportive messages from colleagues, friends, listeners: my valedictory thanks @GlobalPlayer
        until next Sunday. #Ifyouhavebeen.."


        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • Pulcinella
          Host
          • Feb 2014
          • 10962

          BBC Music Magazine (Christmas 2023 Edition, just arrived) in its usual The Month in Numbers slot, says:

          17.5% more people listening to Radio 3 than this last year, according to figures released by RAJAR.
          Last edited by Pulcinella; 25-11-23, 12:53. Reason: Italics introduced

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          • Old Grumpy
            Full Member
            • Jan 2011
            • 3620

            CFM might lose a whole load more listeners soon when it converts to DAB+.

            I wonder how many listeners have DAB only receivers (home or in-car).

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            • french frank
              Administrator/Moderator
              • Feb 2007
              • 30319

              Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
              BBC Music Magazine (Christmas 2023 Edition, just arrived) in its usual the month in Numbers slot, says:

              17.5% more people listening to Radio 3 than this last year, according to figures released by RAJAR.
              ???? I wonder what figures they're using. The usual 'year' is the BBC financial year April - March, rather than the calendar year Jan - December. The latest released figures were for September which isn't the end of either year. I've just rechecked my figures and adding the latest four quarters (Dec 22-Sept 23) the total reach for the year ... Oh, I see what they've done! They've compared the appalling Sept 2022 figure (1.708m) with Sept 2023 (2.002m), a rise of 17.2%. (IOW, what goes down must (hopefully) go up.)

              So did you miss out the word 'time or quarter'? "17.5% more people listening to Radio 3 than this TIME/QUARTER last year​"?

              In fact if you add up the last four published figures (Dec 22-Sept 23) you get 7.503m (av 1.876m). The four quarters prior to that (21-22) totalled 7.776m (av 1.944m), the equivalent of a drop of 3.5% this year.
              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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              • Pulcinella
                Host
                • Feb 2014
                • 10962

                Originally posted by french frank View Post

                ???? I wonder what figures they're using. The usual 'year' is the BBC financial year April - March, rather than the calendar year Jan - December. The latest released figures were for September which isn't the end of either year. I've just rechecked my figures and adding the latest four quarters (Dec 22-Sept 23) the total reach for the year ... Oh, I see what they've done! They've compared the appalling Sept 2022 figure (1.708m) with Sept 2023 (2.002m), a rise of 17.2%. (IOW, what goes down must (hopefully) go up.)

                So did you miss out the word 'time or quarter'? "17.5% more people listening to Radio 3 than this TIME/QUARTER last year​"?

                In fact if you add up the last four published figures (Dec 22-Sept 23) you get 7.503m (av 1.876m). The four quarters prior to that (21-22) totalled 7.776m (av 1.944m), the equivalent of a drop of 3.5% this year.
                Oops! I did indeed.

                17.5% more people listening to Radio 3 than this time last year, ......

                (I baulked over the construction and as a consequence missed out a word! More people were listening than sheep, perhaps?)

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                • french frank
                  Administrator/Moderator
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 30319

                  Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post

                  Oops! I did indeed.

                  17.5% more people listening to Radio 3 than this time last year, ......

                  (I baulked over the construction and as a consequence missed out a word! More people were listening than sheep, perhaps?)


                  It's still the fact that they're comparing a particularly bad quarter with a mediocre to okayish figure. Over the past year the trend has been down compared with the previous year (and that one wasn't very good).
                  It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                  • antongould
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 8791

                    Originally posted by french frank View Post



                    It's still the fact that they're comparing a particularly bad quarter with a mediocre to okayish figure. Over the past year the trend has been down compared with the previous year (and that one wasn't very good).
                    Latest seem to be on Facebook with the Wacko Jacko spin and adoring comments from his pals …..

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                    • french frank
                      Administrator/Moderator
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 30319

                      Originally posted by antongould View Post

                      Latest seem to be on Facebook with the Wacko Jacko spin and adoring comments from his pals …..
                      Nothing to do with his schedule changes, of course. These are for Quarter 1 - Jan-Feb-March: the changes came in April. True, though, it is (almost) 2m (1.995m, a vast improvement on the 2.002m last September ... ).
                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                      • antongould
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 8791

                        Originally posted by french frank View Post

                        Nothing to do with his schedule changes, of course. These are for Quarter 1 - Jan-Feb-March: the changes came in April. True, though, it is (almost) 2m (1.995m, a vast improvement on the 2.002m last September ... ).
                        Indeed he seems to be taking all the credit though …..

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                        • Ein Heldenleben
                          Full Member
                          • Apr 2014
                          • 6797

                          The Q1 figures for 24 are up on the corresponding Quarter in 2023. Every other BBC main network and local radio appears to have shed listeners.

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30319

                            Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post
                            The Q1 figures for 24 are up on the corresponding Quarter in 2023. Every other BBC main network and local radio appears to have shed listeners.
                            It is indeed slightly up on last year (1.931m - 1.995m, prob within margin of sampling error) but down on the year before that. In short, trumpet it how they will, the figures are unremarkable.

                            But, as I pointed out in their Facebook page, presenter + snippets = Classic FM, devised to keep people listening with half an ear for longer. It's the style of broadcasting that's the same on Radio 3 as on popular music stations now, across hours and hours of the schedule. The balance between BBC radio and commercial radio listening used to be 55% - 45%. It's now roughly 45% - 55% (for all sorts of reasons). But the metrics rated as important by broadcasting (and political) bosses are such that a quality music + arts station is bound to suffer by comparison. Conclusion? Stop being such a quality station and serve up more dross. Isn't it?
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • french frank
                              Administrator/Moderator
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 30319

                              I note one Facebook commenter has written: "Brilliant news Well done R3, lots of great music without the need for ghastly adverts! I could listen to Petroc all day long​ ."

                              Ignorant of the fact that there is NO "brilliant news". No ghastly adverts = Classic FM without the adverts, but with endless R3 programme trails instead. And happy to listen to Petroc (never mind the music, it's the presenter, stupid) all day long.

                              QED: Radio 3 is a dumbed down product designed to appeal to as many people as possible. John 11:35.
                              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                              • DracoM
                                Host
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 12976

                                Which is precisely why so much of my musical appetite / education is being better served by listening to Yle Klassinen | Yle Areena

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