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  • antongould
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 8785

    Originally posted by Quarky View Post
    Looking at the RAJAR figures for public consumption, reach has increased from 1.932 million to 2.126 million, very roughly an increase of 200,000. Petroc claims about 50% of this.

    Where did the other increases occur? Night Tracks? Beethoven Unleashed would not be a factor for last quarter.
    IIRC we don’t get that level of granularity ....... so we can all have our own theory .....

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    • french frank
      Administrator/Moderator
      • Feb 2007
      • 30300

      :-)

      Leaving aside Radio 3's figures for a moment (which are very good), general comments to put them in context. Overall radio listening hours are down somewhat (compared with last December) but BBC Radio's share has gone up. Given the rise in Radio 4's share (up from 11.2% to 12%, reach up by half a million and 5 live similarly), we are certainly seeing an unusual effect caused by the national news last quarter. It looks as if that might have affected all/most BBC stations though R1 and R2 are down, probably because people were seeking their news elsewhere.

      One thing to check when considering R3's figures is now those of Classic FM and Scala Radio. Classic FM has similarly shot up and Scala Radio (half-yearly compared with last quarter) is up too.

      The rise in Classic FM's figures tend (only tend) to suggest (to me) that the rise in Radio 3's has more to do with a general listening pattern last quarter than anything Radio 3 has done - a general buoyancy - but as usual it won't be until the next quarter when things will/may have calmed down that we'll see whether the figures are an improvement or a fluctuation.

      Breakfast figures are solid after a slump last quarter.
      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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      • Constantbee
        Full Member
        • Jul 2017
        • 504

        Thanks for this. Lovely to hear from you again, btw
        And the tune ends too soon for us all

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        • antongould
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 8785

          From the Skellers twittersphere ...... so it must be true

          “Everyone very pleased with the increase in he 16% rise in the number of you tuning in. Very pleased to see Essential Classics now has the biggest audience it's had since 2010. Onwards and upwards with your help.”

          English is his 4th language ....

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          • Eine Alpensinfonie
            Host
            • Nov 2010
            • 20570

            Originally posted by antongould View Post
            I prefer the Schoolmarm .......
            Not the school bully?

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            • LMcD
              Full Member
              • Sep 2017
              • 8472

              Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
              Not the school bully?
              Ian Ogilvy?

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              • Barbirollians
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 11687

                Apparently the Today programme has gained 500,000 listeners in the same period - wonder if the retirement of the dinosaur John Humphries played a part in that ?

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                • oddoneout
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2015
                  • 9204

                  So will that be taken as vindication of the 'new initiatives' and justification for foisting more on us?

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                  • antongould
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 8785

                    Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                    So will that be taken as vindication of the 'new initiatives' and justification for foisting more on us?

                    Probably both

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                    • jayne lee wilson
                      Banned
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 10711

                      Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                      So will that be taken as vindication of the 'new initiatives' and justification for foisting more on us?
                      Maybe just "go with it" for now.... those young listeners might soon be demanding more "substance"......who knows...?

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                      • Kernow Malc
                        Full Member
                        • Oct 2018
                        • 56

                        Well, they've lost this listener - nowhere else to go of course.

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30300

                          Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                          Petroc reports that 'Breakfast' has gained 87,000 new listeners, although I don't know what that is as a percentage.
                          Forget percentages: the raw quarterly figures published for 2019 were: Q1 689k Q2 743k Q3 599k Q4 689k (612k in Dec 2108). So it's only a 'regain' from the figures lost last quarter. It's a misconception at best, misleading at worst to claim that these are all 'new listeners'.

                          Similarly, the D Telegraph's 16.4% rise in overall reach is based an abnormally appalling 1.826m reach in December 2018.
                          Last edited by french frank; 06-02-20, 16:27.
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30300

                            Originally posted by antongould View Post
                            From the Skellers twittersphere ...... so it must be true

                            “Everyone very pleased with the increase in the 16% rise in the number of you tuning in. Very pleased to see Essential Classics now has the biggest audience it's had since 2010. Onwards and upwards with your help.”
                            The information is from either the BBC Press office or the Daily Telegraph. The increase of 16% refers to the rise from 1.826m in December 2018 to 2.126m in December 2019. (Work it out: 2126 - 1826 = 300 ÷ 1826 = 0.16429 x 100 = 16.429%)

                            The catch is that the 1.826m was the worst December figure on record (dating back to 1999). Everyone is pleased that Radio 3's December figure increased by 16.429% over last year's worst ever figure. But 'tis good to be grateful for all mercies.

                            [The best December figure was 2.216m in 2010; but also 2003 was 2.192n and 2002 was 2.154m. 'Increase x' is not exactly the same as 'general improvement'.]
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • Stanfordian
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 9312

                              Here, I am of the cognisant of the phrase 'Lies, damned lies, and statistics.' More young listeners, mhm!

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                              • LMcD
                                Full Member
                                • Sep 2017
                                • 8472

                                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                                :-)

                                Leaving aside Radio 3's figures for a moment (which are very good), general comments to put them in context. Overall radio listening hours are down somewhat (compared with last December) but BBC Radio's share has gone up. Given the rise in Radio 4's share (up from 11.2% to 12%, reach up by half a million and 5 live similarly), we are certainly seeing an unusual effect caused by the national news last quarter. It looks as if that might have affected all/most BBC stations though R1 and R2 are down, probably because people were seeking their news elsewhere.

                                One thing to check when considering R3's figures is now those of Classic FM and Scala Radio. Classic FM has similarly shot up and Scala Radio (half-yearly compared with last quarter) is up too.

                                The rise in Classic FM's figures tend (only tend) to suggest (to me) that the rise in Radio 3's has more to do with a general listening pattern last quarter than anything Radio 3 has done - a general buoyancy - but as usual it won't be until the next quarter when things will/may have calmed down that we'll see whether the figures are an improvement or a fluctuation.

                                Breakfast figures are solid after a slump last quarter.
                                A welcome and necessary corrective to Forumistas (including myself) foolish enough to see anything much to be cheerful about in the latest figures.

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