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Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View PostNo commercial radio were ahead in the 90’s
On your other points:
Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View PostShe’ll have access to the individual show figures. I think weekend breakfast audiences are smaller than weekday- that’s certainly true of most radio. So if the overall figure appears to be down , yet Weekends are up , that doesn’t mean that Weekdays have lost a lot. The loss they make will be a big proportion of the average loss. Also weekdays make up 5 / 7ths of the average so they are much more important in determining the average across a week.
But let's concede everything: i.e. Elizabeth Alker's Breakfast reach is significantly up on what it has been (in spite of the fact that on this - unrepresentative - forum, more people tune OUT on Alker Saturdays than on weekdays/Martin Saturdays), what would that mean? To me it would suggest that the R3 strategy of bringing Elizabeth Alker over from 6 Music to Radio 3 had been successful in attracting more listeners. The problem with that is that for many of us the problem has been the strategy, successful or not, not the presenter.
I quoted on the Essential Classics thread the casual listener who tuned in to Lunchtime Concert and declared it 'interesting' but as he didn't know much about classical music, he preferred the presenter-led programmes. I suspect that the R3 strategy is to attract precisely that sort of listener and that is the listener for whom much of Radio 3 now caters. Which is why it's the strategy that is challenged.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostAs I mentioned in #701, along with the Guardian's explanation of the current situation as the deep cuts at the BBC not reflected among the commercials!
On your other points:
Yes, she will have been supplied with the figures. I have no recent figures for M-F v weekends and as I said elsewhere, I started chucking all my documents yesterday (waste paper collection this morning!). However, what I did find came from DCMS data suggesting that the Saturday listening was higher (9am peak of c 200k) than weekdays (peak at 9am c 160k). I see nothing dramatic in the figures at all, though overall weekly Breakfast reach is down, so I am sceptical of Saturday Breakfast reach being appreciably up, and if so, up on what?
But let's concede everything: i.e. Elizabeth Alker's Breakfast reach is significantly up on what it has been (in spite of the fact that on this - unrepresentative - forum, more people tune OUT on Alker Saturdays than on weekdays/Martin Saturdays), what would that mean? To me it would suggest that the R3 strategy of bringing Elizabeth Alker over from 6 Music to Radio 3 had been successful in attracting more listeners. The problem with that is that for many of us the problem has been the strategy, successful or not, not the presenter.
I quoted on the Essential Classics thread the casual listener who tuned in to Lunchtime Concert and declared it 'interesting' but as he didn't know much about classical music, he preferred the presenter-led programmes. I suspect that the R3 strategy is to attract precisely that sort of listener and that is the listener for whom much of Radio 3 now caters. Which is why it's the strategy that is challenged.
Maybe the most worrying factor bending towards independents is the trend of defectors from BBC, and the desire of ‘fans’ to follow their favourites.
Classic FM seem now, maybe to attract their traditional listeners back, have axed Full Works evening concerts.
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Originally posted by cloughie View Postanton and I are regular listeners - Croissant corner is the magnet for me! (Even if it is just the early morning cuppa for me). However it does appear that Radio Cornwall bucks the independent’s trend! David White, whose afternoon programme has nationwide and indeed beyond these shores, listeners thanked listeners for the increase in listeners!
Maybe the most worrying factor bending towards independents is the trend of defectors from BBC, and the desire of ‘fans’ to follow their favourites.
Classic FM seem now, maybe to attract their traditional listeners back, have axed Full Works evening concerts.
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Originally posted by antongould View PostRadio 3’s ambition is not to reach as broad an audience as possible but to be as broad-ranging as possible ….It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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BBC doesn't seem to have much to say about the Q3 figures, but Radio Today does.
R3 down to 1.708m which must be one of the lowest figures ever. Breakfast figure 595k, down from 708k in Q3 last year.
At a quick glance, the previous lowest ever was 1.783m in 2007.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by hmvman View PostAccording to Slipped Disc CFM has also had a drop in audience. No mention of Scala.
I hope the BBC's response won't be even more dumbing-down.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by hmvman View PostAccording to Slipped Disc CFM has also had a drop in audience. No mention of Scala.
I hope the BBC's response won't be even more dumbing-down.
The insertion of an overexcited young DJ type into the Early Music Show to give the "news" is the latest attack.
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Originally posted by oddoneout View PostAfternoon Concert is similar to the morning schedules now, with slightly less chat but more and more bits and pieces, single movements, odd juxtapositions. Concert it ain't as far as I'm concerned.
Originally posted by oddoneout View PostThe insertion of an overexcited young DJ type into the Early Music Show to give the "news" is the latest attack.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostI just don't understand that. They must have plenty of available concert recordings, but even if they can't afford the rights fees they could play, say, three complete works 'of the usual number of pages' as publishers used to say. One can only assume that the format is deliberately chosen as another "entry point" [BBC speak] for 'beginners'.
The current controller defended the twofer format for Building a Library by saying it made for 'livelier listening'. Yes, I suppose boring programmes do need to be 'livened up'.
The EMS "livelier listening" is for me the need to access the mute button and then guess when normal service has been resumed and it's safe to unmute...
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Originally posted by oddoneout View PostOh they use available concert recordings - cut up and sprinkled through the two and half or three hour slot.
Even In Concert seems to be going that way.
Reach last quarter (since this is the RAJAR thread) lowest ever …It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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