More evidence that those in charge are liars and completely round the twist

[3rd Viennese School]

Funny. I'm looking at my very own NHS badge here and it clearly says my name is 3rd Viennese School. And theres a photograph of me next to it. Similar to my avatar.

So there you go. You shouldn't believe everything you read in the press!

3VS

[scottycelt]

There have been quite a few well-advertised cases in recent years of people at work being traced to their home address ... animal rights and other groups have used this bullying tactic quite openly.

Some years ago, I was once harangued by a very well-dressed and posh-sounding woman demanding to know why I was selling oriental rugs that were produced by poor kiddies in India. As we went to great lengths to ensure that our products did not fall under that category, I explained to madam that this was most unlikely to be the case, and there were even labels on our rugs indicating that very point.

After fruitless to-ing and fro-ing she then asked for my name (no label on me!) , and I simply told her my name was irrelevant to the discussion. She then stormed off and wrote a letter to the Chairman accusing 'a Scottish person' in the shop of being rude :cool2: ... racist!

However, this thread has become a bit side-tracked ... it's not myself who is complaining about the security at No 10 ..

[Lateralthinking1]

No one though has justified the use of false names rather than an accurate, honest, generic signature, ie "on behalf of."

How would the use of fake names affect the public's ability to call in the Ombudsman where necessary for any maladministration and worse? If the current procedure sets a precedent, how do you complain about a specific individual who may not be acting in accordance with his employer's rules, ie HMRC now send the bailiffs in on occasions but have to do so in accordance with the law, local authority officials were seen to have overstepped the mark by sitting in cars checking on household refuse disposal. There are hundreds of other examples.

And what about the precedent it sets for the private companies too? If I ring up for an insurance quote, the person I speak to may not give me his or her correct name but they cant proceed unless I give them my name and huge amounts of other detail, irrespective of whether I intend to take out insurance with them or not. What happens if I give them a false name and address? Again, this is one example of many. Call me old fashioned, and even wrong, but I happen to think that security is more likely to be felt in society where there is truth and straightforwardness, not paranoia and lies.

[amateur51]

She then stormed off and wrote a letter to the Chairman accusing 'a Scottish person' in the shop of being rude :cool2: ... racist!

How is this racist, scotty? She wished to identify a person in one of the Chairman's shops , someone who declined to give his name, as having been rude. In the absence of a definitive name, she chose to include what she believed would be an identifier, i.e., Scottish.

I can't see the racism here.

[vinteuil]

No one though has justified the use of false names rather than an accurate, honest, generic signature, ie "on behalf of."

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It used to be the case that all letters/telegrams sent out from the Foreign Office to Embassies were signed as from the Foreign Secretary, all letters/telegrams sent from Embassies to the Foreign Office were signed as from the Ambassador. It said something about corporate responsibility...

[scottycelt]

How is this racist, scotty? She wished to identify a person in one of the Chairman's shops , someone who declined to give his name, as having been rude. In the absence of a definitive name, she chose to include what she believed would be an identifier, i.e., Scottish.

I can't see the racism here.

By the way, amateur, it was no more the Chairman's shop than my own, though undoubtedly he did have the ultimate power to 'let me go' ...

However, he obviously knew very much better than to do such a silly thing as that!

[scottycelt]

No one though has justified the use of false names rather than an accurate, honest, generic signature, ie "on behalf of."

If that alias (and that's all it is) has been sanctioned by the organisation concerned what's the real problem for the client? What does it really matter whether one calls himself John Smith or Ludwig van Beethoven ... he is representing the organisation, not himself, and can still be identified if one wishes to make a complaint against that particular individual?

If he signed himself ANON, now, I agree, that might well be a different matter, and I could then see your point.

[amateur51]

By the way, amateur, it was no more the Chairman's shop than my own, though undoubtedly he did have the ultimate power to 'let me go' ...

However, he obviously knew very much better than to do such a silly thing as that!

That was why she was writing to him, scotty which was the point I was making.

We're edging into 'last word' territory here, I feel

[amateur51]

If that alias (and that's all it is) has been sanctioned by the organisation concerned what's the real problem for the client? What does it really matter whether one calls himself John Smith or Ludwig van Beethoven ... he is representing the organisation, not himself, and can still be identified if one wishes to make a complaint against that particular individual?

If he signed himself ANON, now, I agree, that might well be a different matter, and I could then see your point.

Oh I see, as a customer I have to trust you to be honest about your being 'Citizen X' while I have to give my full name because if I give you one that doesn't match the one on my debit card, you'll call security AND I'll not get my purchases

Surely you're just as likely to stalk me for getting you sacked as I am to stalk you for being rude

I knew that fairness came into it somewhere

[scottycelt]

S

surely you're just as likely to stalk me for getting you sacked

I think we're both pretty safe on either count ...

[amateur51]

S

I think we're both pretty safe on either count ...

My heart beats a tad more slowly with that reassurance, scotty

[Lateralthinking1]

A gated toy town community, while civil war rages beyond it. As illusory as a wendy house, it shall be chucked into the fire.

[mangerton]

How is this racist, scotty? She wished to identify a person in one of the Chairman's shops , someone who declined to give his name, as having been rude. In the absence of a definitive name, she chose to include what she believed would be an identifier, i.e., Scottish.

I can't see the racism here.

I can. Would she have said "An English person"? I don't know, but I doubt it. She might very well have said "Welsh" or "Irish". It's typical of the way many English think and speak.

Listen to the news on the B (alleged) BC - though actually EBC would be a better description. Events take place "in Birmingham", or Liverpool, Newcastle, or even St Austell.

Or "in Scotland".

Three anecdotes, which reflect the appalling ignorance that Scots live with daily.

1. I took a call at work one day from a member of the public. After my greeting, the caller said, "Oh my God. Another Scot. I want to speak to somebody English." That is extremely offensive. If you don't see that, try substituting other nationalities.

2. An appliance repairman, in a house in the Dundee area. 6.30 pm. The householder asked, "Any more calls to do this evening?"
"Only one more." "Oh? Where's that?" "Oban". (If you have to look at an atlas, I've made my point.)

3. Tthis really beggars belief, but it's true. I was once asked whether Scots celebrated Christmas on the same day as the English.

[amateur51]

I can. Would she have said "An English person"? I don't know, but I doubt it. She might very well have said "Welsh" or "Irish". It's typical of the way many English think and speak.

Listen to the news on the B (alleged) BC - though actually EBC would be a better description. Events take place "in Birmingham", or Liverpool, Newcastle, or even St Austell.

Or "in Scotland".

Three anecdotes, which reflect the appalling ignorance that Scots live with daily.

1. I took a call at work one day from a member of the public. After my greeting, the caller said, "Oh my God. Another Scot. I want to speak to somebody English." That is extremely offensive. If you don't see that, try substituting other nationalities.

2. An appliance repairman, in a house in the Dundee area. 6.30 pm. The householder asked, "Any more calls to do this evening?"
"Only one more." "Oh? Where's that?" "Oban". (If you have to look at an atlas, I've made my point.)

3. Tthis really beggars belief, but it's true. I was once asked whether Scots celebrated Christmas on the same day as the English.

But awful those some of these examples are, they are not the same as the one that scotty & I are quibbling, sorry, debating about mangerton.

And for something to be racist ( or sexist) the 'perpetrator' has to be in a position of power over the 'victim' and have the intention to use that power.

And as recent events have shown, the citizens of Scotland no longer sit 'in awe' of England - if they ever did

[scottycelt]

But awful those some of these examples are, they are not the same as the one that scotty & I are quibbling, sorry, debating about mangerton.

It's only you who appears to be actually engaging in the quibbling, sorry, debating about, amateur ...