Alphabet Associations - II

[Lat-Literal]

Jeanne Honegger?

No - Honegger's first name is Arthur (in common parlance).

[Pulcinella]

No - Honegger's first name is Arthur (in common parlance).

I knew that, so don't see the connection.
OK: I'll just hide myself in the same room as ferney and sob quietly for a while.
Do you need a note from my mum too?

[Lat-Literal]

I knew that, so don't see the connection.
OK: I'll just hide myself in the same room as ferney and sob quietly for a while.
Do you need a note from my mum too?

I need a note from my Mum otherwise I am going to have to explain it.

[Lat-Literal]

Ahem:

And a reminder of the question:

What J links:

(a) A collaboration - Etienne, Charles and one other (but not Rubinstein, Arthur or Roland)
(b) One - the offspring of a man named Etienne - who created an unsung Roland but not in the same way as another by one named Charles
(c) An Arthur Rubinstein collaboration (not so far as I am aware involving Roland, Charles or Etienne in any sense they are mentioned here)?

.........

(a) Jeanne qui pleure et Jean qui rit - Étienne - Tréfeu (Librettist), Charles - Nuitter (Librettist) and one other - Jacques Offenbach (Franco German), though Offenbach is credited.

(b) Jeanne Demessieux (composer/organist - one of my favourite composers actually), daughter of Etienne Demessieux.....her Chanson de Roland was unpublished (hence unsung - and you will see here why I put in a Roland organ as a clue).......that work was not the same as The Song of Roland by Charles Scott-Moncrieff (Translator, Scottish) who was known for his translations of Proust (hence the clue "Och (Scottish)....a la recherche du temps perdu!"). Note the distinction between this Charles, translator and Nuitter, librettist.

(c) Jeanne d'Arc au bûcher - an oratorio - I did mention "oratorios" as an additional clue - by Honegger, hence Arthur which to all intents and purposes was Honegger's Christian name.........the Rubinstein is Ida Rubinstein rather than Arthur Rubinstein..........she had the principal dancing/speaking role so an Arthur (Honegger)/(Ida)Rubinstein collaboration.

I am very open to any suggestions that I have got these facts wrong but I hope I didn't.

[cloughie]

Ahem:



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(a) Jeanne qui pleure et Jean qui rit - Étienne - Tréfeu (Librettist), Charles - Nuitter (Librettist) and one other - Jacques Offenbach (Franco German)

(b) Jeanne Demessieux (composer/organist - one of my favourite composers actually), daughter of Etienne Demessieux.....her Chanson de Roland was unpublished (hence unsung - and you will see here why I put in a Roland organ as a clue).......that work was not the same as The Song of Roland by Charles Scott-Moncrieff (Translator, Scottish) who was known for his translations of Proust (hence the clue "Och (Scottish)....a la recherche du temps perdu!"). Note the distinction between this Charles, translator and Nuitter, librettist.

(c) Jeanne d'Arc au bûcher - an oratorio - I did mention "oratorios" as an additional clue - by Honegger, hence Arthur which to all intents and purposes was Honegger's Christian name.........the Rubinstein is Ida Rubinstein rather than Arthur Rubinstein..........she had the principal dancing/speaking role so an Arthur (Honneger)(Ida)/Rubinstein collaboration.

...you spoilt it by giving us the answers - I'm sure we'd have got them by New Year - well 2018!

[Lat-Literal]

...you spoilt it by giving us the answers - I'm sure we'd have got them by New Year - well 2018!

Hello cloughie

I set out to make it difficult but not to make it impossible. My comparatively limited knowledge of classical music is such that I may have assumed some of the works here would be better known. I think there were points along the way where there were potential inroads - opportunities, for example, to consider French composers, organists and oratorios, some bits and pieces around the Scottish translator Charles and especially the big steer towards dividing up the "Arthur" and the "Rubinstein". I feel that if it had been fully established that the Rubinstein was a different Rubinstein, ie Ida and Arthur was a different Arthur, namely Honegger, then an answer would not have been beyond all possibility.

Hope this helps!

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

It's Boxing Day and this will be very easy for classical music experts.

Well - that worked!

(We tend to be "enthusiasts", rather than "experts" here: the pooling of knowledge and ideas across the various strands is what makes the Forum so precious. Dozens of pieces of Music I wouldn't otherwise have encountered I get to hear every year thanks to this place. to us all!)

[Lat-Literal]

Well - that worked!

(We tend to be "enthusiasts", rather than "experts" here: the pooling of knowledge and ideas across the various strands is what makes the Forum so precious. Dozens of pieces of Music I wouldn't otherwise have encountered I get to hear every year thanks to this place. to us all!)

Can I set another J question ferney?

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Can I set another J question ferney?

I'm game! (No need for the dove - it was a good, mind-twisting teaser.)

[Lat-Literal]

I'm game! (No need for the dove - it was a good, mind-twisting teaser.)

Thank you.

What J links Henry Brant, Maria Callas and Itzhak Perlman?

Ideally I would have a two word answer with only the first starting with a J although if you find that first word you will have the gist of it.

[Flay]

Well - that worked!

And I thought I was getting there with José

[antongould]

And I thought I was getting there with José

Perhaps AA is winding down and we should consider retiring certain letters like they do in Baseball ... I to ferney and J to Lats for starters ... ???

[Lat-Literal]

And I thought I was getting there with José

Perhaps AA is winding down and we should consider retiring certain letters like they do in Baseball ... I to ferney and J to Lats for starters ... ???

Sorry - it wasn't Jose.

I thought I was going out to dinner today but circumstances prevented it so I went to sleep instead.

I was quite pleased with the question really but then that is me.

Re the latest question, clue - you might like to think about their class.

[cloughie]

Hello cloughie

I set out to make it difficult but not to make it impossible. My comparatively limited knowledge of classical music is such that I may have assumed some of the works here would be better known. I think there were points along the way where there were potential inroads - opportunities, for example, to consider French composers, organists and oratorios, some bits and pieces around the Scottish translator Charles and especially the big steer towards dividing up the "Arthur" and the "Rubinstein". I feel that if it had been fully established that the Rubinstein was a different Rubinstein, ie Ida and Arthur was a different Arthur, namely Honegger, then an answer would not have been beyond all possibility.

Hope this helps!

Hello Lat
Nothing wrong with what you set. Stick with it.

[Lat-Literal]

Hello Lat
Nothing wrong with what you set. Stick with it.

Thank you cloughie.

I will, though, try to make them less obscure in the future.

Re Jeanne Demessieux, while she is principally known as an organist/organ composer, it is her piano compositions I like the best and I recommend them.

I admit that I am not especially familiar with the other works mentioned in the full answer. It was partially a means of reminding members of Jeanne D.