Alphabet Associations - II

[LMcD]

Inadvertent coincidence, but one candidate for composer of an over-imaginative rondo just happens to be Hungarian, figuring prominently on a currently active MB thread.

Just how many answers are there?
Can you please remind me again of the oscillating and non-Sanskrit rondos?
PLEASE tell us that the over-imaginative rondo is Liszt's Rondo Fantastique so that we can all move on - I couldn't take another 'helpful' clue.
Congratulations (I think - I hope!) cloughie!

[LeMartinPecheur]

Just how many answers are there?
PLEASE tell us that it's Liszt's Rondo Fantastique so that we can all move on - I couldn't take another 'helpful' clue.
Congratulations (I think - I hope!) cloughie!

Yes LMcD, you've polished it off finally. And yes, congratulations cloughie, and my apologies for making it over-complicated

[LMcD]

Yes LMcD, you've polished it off finally. And yes, congratulations cloughie, and my apologies for making it over-complicated

Thank God for that!
A final recap of the answers, with necessary explanations, would be appreciated.

[LeMartinPecheur]

A final recap of the answers, with necessary explanations, would be appreciated.

"My 3 R's ain't reading, writing and 'rithmetic, they're over-imaginative, oscillatory, and not at all like Sanskrit."

3 work-titles featuring the R-word were required. I should have made this much clearer, and that three clues pointed each to a separate title.

Over-imaginative is a synonym for fantastic. I particularly had in mind Liszt's Rondo fantastique.

Oscillatory points to waves: Sibelius's Rondo of the Waves, an early version of The Oceanides, recorded by BIS. Writing the Q late at night I thought this was simply a Sib work I hadn't heard of, hadn't realised it was so obscure

Not at all like Sanskrit. Scholars and travellers spotted many hundreds of years ago that there are close family relationships between just about all European languages, modern and ancient (Greek, Latin) and, in the 1700s, also with Indian languages deriving from Sanskrit. They postulated a single language now called Proto-Indo-European (PIE) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-...opean_language. Sanskrit is often thought to be closest to this proto-language.
The are just 3 European languages that have no relation to PIE (Sanskrit): Hungarian, Finnish and Basque. [EDIT So Hungarian Rondo: Kodaly's for one.]

I thought the above reason for resemblances between most European languages and the wierdness of Hungarian was pretty widely known

The late pointer to the Finnish language (Sibelius) was just meant to help with 'oscillatory'. Not part of the original plan at all, as was the fact that the 'fantastic' rondo was by a Hungarian (though not a very Hungarian one - IIRC he never mastered the language!).

I shall now retreat behind the touchline.

[cloughie]

"My 3 R's ain't reading, writing and 'rithmetic, they're over-imaginative, oscillatory, and not at all like Sanskrit."

3 work-titles featuring the R-word were required. I should have made this much clearer, and that three clues pointed each to a separate title.

Over-imaginative is a synonym for fantastic. I particularly had in mind Liszt's Rondo fantastique.

Oscillatory points to waves: Sibelius's Rondo of the Waves, an early version of The Oceanides, recorded by BIS. Writing the Q late at night I thought this was simply a Sib work I hadn't heard of, hadn't realised it was so obscure

Not at all like Sanskrit. Scholars and travellers spotted many hundreds of years ago that there are close family relationships between just about all European languages, modern and ancient (Greek, Latin) and, in the 1700s, also with Indian languages deriving from Sanskrit. They postulated a single language now called Proto-Indo-European (PIE) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-...opean_language. Sanskrit is often thought to be closest to this proto-language.

The are just 3 European languages that have no relation to PIE (Sanskrit): Hungarian, Finnish and Basque.

I thought the above reason for resemblances between most European languages and the wierdness of Hungarian was pretty widely known

The late pointer to the Finnish language (Sibelius) was just meant to help with 'oscillatory'. Not part of the original plan at all, as was the fact that the 'fantastic' rondo was by a Hungarian (though not a very Hungarian one - IIRC he never mastered the language!).

I shall now retreat behind the touchline.

LMP, Despite our frustrations at not being able to solve, it was a very good R and Set the next one set the next one soon.

[LeMartinPecheur]

LMP, Despite our frustrations at not being able to solve, it was a very good R and Set the next one set the next one soon.

You are indeed too kind!

NB And if I ever set another Q I'll try to work in something with a Basque title

[Pulcinella]

You are indeed too kind!

And I must be being too dim!
Have we had all three rondos mentioned?
I see only Liszt and Sibelius.

[LMcD]

And I must be being too dim!
Have we had all three rondos mentioned?
I see only Liszt and Sibelius.

Not as far as I can see - but perhaps I, too, am too dim! It's possible that the third rondo was mentioned in the wealth of explanations/hints/nudges that emerged over the last few days.
With hindsight, it might have been quicker to google the name of every composer who ever lived followed by the word 'rondo', but even then the results would have had to be linked to the questions. My knowledge of Sanskrit is somewhere between minimal and non-existent - closer to the latter, I would say.

[cloughie]

Not as far as I can see - but perhaps I, too, am too dim! It's possible that the third rondo was mentioned in the wealth of explanations/hints/nudges that emerged over the last few days.

Yes I got the first Kodaly Hungarian rondo which was the west of Turkey non-Sanskrit - now pay attention as you need to look for an S when I've finished helping getting the washing in!

[LMcD]

Yes I got the first Kodaly Hungarian rondo which was the west of Turkey non-Sanskrit - now pay attention as you need to look for an S when I've finished helping getting the washing in!

Eh?

[Pulcinella]

Yes I got the first Kodaly Hungarian rondo which was the west of Turkey non-Sanskrit - now pay attention as you need to look for an S when I've finished helping getting the washing in!

Ah, so you did (first in but third part of the poser).

In sequence then:
Liszt, Sibelius, Kodaly.

I remain in admiration of the suggestion posited that 'rock' answered the 'oscillatory' part!

[LMcD]

Ah, so you did (first in but third part of the poser).

In sequence then:
Liszt, Sibelius, Kodaly.

I remain in admiration of the suggestion posited that 'rock' answered the 'oscillatory' part!

Why is the Kodaly rondo in particular 'nothing like Sanskrit'? Surely there are others which qualify - INCLUDING THE SIBELIUS!
Or is this meant to be a red herring worthy of Only Connect?

[LeMartinPecheur]

It's possible that the third rondo was mentioned in the wealth of explanations/hints/nudges that emerged over the last few days.

Cloughie's #3476 hit that nail squarely. Addition now made to #3499 to clarify.

[LMcD]

Cloughie's #3476 hit that nail squarely. Addition now made to #3499.

The third of the 'Triois Chansons' composed by that well-known Basque composer Maurice Ravel is entitled 'Ronde'.

(What's a 'proto-language' ?)

[LeMartinPecheur]

Why is the Kodaly rondo in particular 'nothing like Sanskrit'? Surely there are others which qualify - INCLUDING THE SIBELIUS!
Or is this meant to be a red herring worthy of Only Connect?

'Hungarian', the word required before Rondo, as a language is 'not at all like Sanskrit'. Re your #3509, a proto-language is one back in prehistory and now non-existent, but one from which modern languages descend. With PIE, very many modern languages spread from Europe to Asia, and several no-longer-spoken ones such as Latin, Ancient Greek and Sanskrit. I picked on Sanskrit because it's usually seen as the closest to PIE. Do doubt that was silly of me.

A lot of academic time is now spent (wasted?) on the issue of whether there was just one proto-language way back, from which all human languages in all periods descended. Something else that came 'Out of Africa' with Homo Sapiens perhaps. The efforts at proving this are generally regarded as, ahem, inconclusive.

[Probably best to lay this Q to rest now?]