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  • subcontrabass
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    • Nov 2010
    • 2780

    And Penderecki Ubu Rex for a living composer? (and a work that has been filmed)

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    • LeMartinPecheur
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      • Apr 2007
      • 4717

      AMcD: I'm still wondering if this is a 'Buy Three Kings Get One Free' offer. (Perhaps my trading standards background...?)

      So far Kings Priam and Roger, composers from Britain and Poland and both dead.

      My suggestions above as to living composers (hopefully!) could give us Sallinen's King going forth to France (Finland) or Reimann's King Lear (Germany).

      If we stay with Sallinen then Henze's King Stag would slip in nicely without duplicating countries.
      I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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      • LMcD
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        • Sep 2017
        • 8406

        Stravinsky certainly ticks all the boxes, so I'm happy to accept 'The King Of The Stars' as a valid alternative answer.
        What about Sallinen?

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        • subcontrabass
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          • Nov 2010
          • 2780

          Originally posted by LMcD View Post
          Stravinsky certainly ticks all the boxes, so I'm happy to accept 'The King Of The Stars' as a valid alternative answer.
          Alternative to what? Oedipus Rex? (Somewhat smaller orchestra for a bigger work)

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          • LMcD
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            • Sep 2017
            • 8406

            Originally posted by subcontrabass View Post
            Alternative to what? Oedipus Rex? (Somewhat smaller orchestra for a bigger work)
            Alternative to one of my answers the English title of which also begins with 'K'.

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            • LeMartinPecheur
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              • Apr 2007
              • 4717

              Originally posted by LMcD View Post
              Stravinsky certainly ticks all the boxes, so I'm happy to accept 'The King Of The Stars' as a valid alternative answer.
              What about Sallinen?
              What indeed? If it isn't his King going forth to France as above (#3032), how about his Kullervo? Or we after another King?
              I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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              • subcontrabass
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                • Nov 2010
                • 2780

                Originally posted by LeMartinPecheur View Post
                What indeed? If it isn't his King going forth to France as above (#3032), how about his Kullervo? Or we after another King?
                King Lear?

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                • LMcD
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                  • Sep 2017
                  • 8406

                  Originally posted by LeMartinPecheur View Post
                  What indeed? If it isn't his King going forth to France as above (#3032), how about his Kullervo? Or we after another King?
                  Sorry, I missed this post. Sallinen's 'The King Goes Forth to France' is correct. 3 Kings down, 1 to go!
                  Not King Lear.

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                  • LeMartinPecheur
                    Full Member
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 4717

                    Not Henze's Konig Hirsch/ King Stag either?
                    I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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                    • LMcD
                      Full Member
                      • Sep 2017
                      • 8406

                      Originally posted by LeMartinPecheur View Post
                      Not Henze's Konig Hirsch/ King Stag either?
                      Afraid not. I don't think these have a generally accepted English title.
                      (Perhaps, on reflection, I shouldn't really allow Stravinsky either, as he wasn't European).
                      The 4th 'King' is not an opera.

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                      • vinteuil
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 12788

                        Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                        Afraid not.
                        (Perhaps, on reflection, I shouldn't really allow Stravinsky as he wasn't really European).
                        ... surely St Petersburg is in Europe? He was a European Russian.

                        Wiki gives ancestral background :

                        "Igor Stravinsky was born on 17 June 1882 in Oranienbaum, a suburb of Saint Petersburg, the Russian imperial capital, and was brought up in Saint Petersburg. His parents were Fyodor Stravinsky (1843–1902), a well-known bass at the Kiev opera house and the Mariinsky Theatre in St. Petersburg, and Anna (née Kholodovsky; 1854–1939), a native of Kiev, one of four daughters of a high-ranking official in the Kiev Ministry of Estates. Fyodor was "descended from a long line of Polish grandees, senators and landowners." It is believed that Stravinsky’s ancestry is traceable back to the 17th and 18th centuries, to the bearers of the Soulima and Strawinski Coat of Arms. Stravinsky's family branch most likely came from Stravinskas, polonized Lithuanian (or Belarussian) land owners, and nobles of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. According to Stravinsky himself, his family originally had a Soulima-Stravinsky surname, and the name "Stravinsky" originated from the word "Strava", which is one of the variants of the Streva River in Lithuania (Trakai and Kaunas District)"

                        Or do you mean bicoz he went to America?

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                        • LMcD
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                          • Sep 2017
                          • 8406

                          Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                          ... surely St Petersburg is in Europe? He was a European Russian.

                          Wiki gives ancestral background :

                          "Igor Stravinsky was born on 17 June 1882 in Oranienbaum, a suburb of Saint Petersburg, the Russian imperial capital, and was brought up in Saint Petersburg. His parents were Fyodor Stravinsky (1843–1902), a well-known bass at the Kiev opera house and the Mariinsky Theatre in St. Petersburg, and Anna (née Kholodovsky; 1854–1939), a native of Kiev, one of four daughters of a high-ranking official in the Kiev Ministry of Estates. Fyodor was "descended from a long line of Polish grandees, senators and landowners." It is believed that Stravinsky’s ancestry is traceable back to the 17th and 18th centuries, to the bearers of the Soulima and Strawinski Coat of Arms. Stravinsky's family branch most likely came from Stravinskas, polonized Lithuanian (or Belarussian) land owners, and nobles of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. According to Stravinsky himself, his family originally had a Soulima-Stravinsky surname, and the name "Stravinsky" originated from the word "Strava", which is one of the variants of the Streva River in Lithuania (Trakai and Kaunas District)"

                          Or do you mean bicoz he went to America?

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                          I've never thought of Russia as being part of Europe, other than for the purposes of football and the Eurovision Song Contest (which also includes Australia these days ) but I'm happy to concede the point and award Igor an 'honourable mention'.
                          Thus far we have:
                          Szymanowski: King Roger
                          Tippett: King Priam
                          Sallinen: (The) King Goes Forth to France
                          and we're looking for:
                          King ? (the generally accepted English title of a large-scale work, not an opera, from the first half of the 20th century).
                          Last edited by LMcD; 18-12-18, 20:43.

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                          • vinteuil
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 12788

                            Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                            I've never thought of Russia as being part of Europe...
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                            • LMcD
                              Full Member
                              • Sep 2017
                              • 8406

                              Fair enough!

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                              • subcontrabass
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 2780

                                Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                                King ? (the generally accepted English title of a large-scale work, not an opera, from the first half of the 20th century).
                                Honegger Le roi David ???

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