Overkill

[Beef Oven!]

I think it's unfair to blame Bowie for all the drug-taking and binge drinking. . .

Indeed, we must blame the teachers and parents.

[Beef Oven!]

Btw, I have just remembered that both Schubert and Bowie are featured/mentioned* in Kraftwerk's 'Trans Europe Express' album from 1976/7.

Fascinating, eh?

*Schubert featured, Bowie mentioned.

[teamsaint]

Exactly. In my estimation he influenced (profoundly) two generations, but certainly if you're outside those generations - particularly older, but I suspect younger too, as he doesn't seem to have been in the ordinary news for some time (???), he made little if no impression.

The impression he made on the enthusiasts is for them to understand. Otherwise you can only 'convince' people that he had a great impression on you: you cannot 'convince' that he should have made an impression on them, and that they are somehow at fault because he didn't.

Just as a side note, and accepting your point that he hasn't been really big news for quite a long time, ( comparing his media profile since say 2000 to that he had in 1970-90), interesting that twenty somethings do seem to recognise the significance of the event, from my small, snapshot and unscientific survey of a few people.
I would like to suggest that this reflects the enduring quality of Bowie's music, but I wouldn't be at all certain of this !! Probably more to do with parents record collections.

[teamsaint]

Btw, I have just remembered that both* Schubert and Bowie are featured/mentioned in Kraftwerk's 'Trans Europe Express' album from 1976/7.

Fascinating, eh?

*Schubert featured, Bowie mentioned.

good knowledge.

( Who are Kraftwerk?)

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Anybody contributing to the online petition to rename Mars "David Bowie", then?

(Ridiculous suggestion - it should be renamed in honour of Pierre Boulez! What is Mars if not a Rock Rolling around in space?!)

[Beef Oven!]

good knowledge.

( Who are Kraftwerk?)

A synchronised skateboarding team from Dusseldorf.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Anybody contributing to the online petition to rename Mars "David Bowie", then?

And there are still people who say he isn't being overhyped.

Having said that, there are many asteroids with equal silly names.

[teamsaint]

A synchronised skateboarding team from Dusseldorf.

they sound great.
I do remember seeing some German guys playing songs called things like " Computer Love" at Bristol Locarno around 1981.

any idea who they might have been? they weren't great movers, IIRC.

[teamsaint]

And there are still people who say he isn't being overhyped.

but this sort of nonsense goes on all the time.

Its not just Bowie.
And like it or not, he really is one of the biggest names in he culture in our lifetimes.

His" overhype" is only part of a more general( probably regrettable) trend.

[Beef Oven!]

but this sort of nonsense goes on all the time.

Its not just Bowie.
And like it or not, he really is one of the biggest names in he culture in our lifetimes.

His" overhype" is only part of a more general( probably regrettable) trend.

What's the correct level of hype then?

And are we saying Solti's death was under-hyped?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

His" overhype" is only part of a more general( probably regrettable) trend.

I suggest it's not now generally as extreme as the mass-hysteria in the 1960s.

[teamsaint]

What's the correct level of hype then?

And are we saying Solti's death was under-hyped?

It is an unhelpful term all round.

I posted yesterday about how the media inevitably , and understandably,get the levels of coverage wrong.

( The Overkill should have been reserved for Lemmy ).

[ahinton]

Anybody contributing to the online petition to rename Mars "David Bowie", then?

(Ridiculous suggestion - it should be renamed in honour of Pierre Boulez! What is Mars if not a Rock Rolling around in space?!)

I get the refernce of course but, given especially Stockhausen's relationship with the Beatles, wasn't le Maître sans marteau actually a member of the Rolling Stones?

I'll get me Christain Dior coat...

[P. G. Tipps]

I think it's unfair to blame Bowie for all the drug-taking and binge drinking. . .

Who ever did that ... ?

Just as absurd as claiming he 'changed the world'.

Moderation in all things, I say ...

[doversoul1]

This article got me thinking;.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/13/david-bowie-life-on-mars-radical-singularity-fantasy

And that’s my Bowie problem. His work was the fantasy of life without constraint, without the restrictions of (moral) gravity and directed exclusively by the lone star of choice. This philosophy can only work in the realm of fiction and fantasy. Back on planet Earth, the unencumbered life turns out to be more of a curse than a blessing.

This is a genuine question as I am very much puzzled.

In the days of the Golden Age of Hollywood, many ‘stars’ created characters that broke conventions and / or being a new type of individual. Humphrey Bogart was a good example. Young and not so young men dreamed of being Cool and Tough like Bogart / Philip Marlowe but they all knew it was a daydream and not something that had any relevance to how they would live their lives.

Bowie, on the other hand, seemed to have been seen as a kind of role model who showed a new way to live.

What’s the difference between Bogart and Bowie? Or what has changed in our culture to perceive a star (I don’t like the word celebrity) as something relevant to real life?