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  • Dave2002
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    • Dec 2010
    • 17863

    LED bulbs - currently reduced in price

    Over the last few years we have been checking out LED bulbs, and replacing lights around our house with more efficient lighting wherever possible.
    One significant problem area was the kitchen, where we had fittings for ses (Small Edison screw) lights. Until recently we used halogen spotlights, typically rated at 28-40W, and with 12 spotlights that represented a significant load in an area which is used frequently and for longish periods - around 350-400W. We did try some other lights, both LED and CFL, but the earlier LEDs had an unwelcome colour tint, and the CFLs were just not bright enough.

    It has been possible to replace most of the other lights around the home with LEDs which are satisfactory, and I'm now phasing out the CFLs where it is cost effective to do so. CFLs or other lights sometimes present issues with startup time, light output, and overall perceived quality of the light output.

    I noticed that B & Q have recently reduced the price on a range of Philips LED lights, including some with bayonet fittings, and as a result I have "invested" a modestly large sum in new LED lights. Some of the lights are dimmable, and called GLS, but the light output is good. The dimmable ones cost more, but at the current B&Q prices are not bad, and the dimmable ones can be used in regular switched circuits, but non dimmable ones cannot be used in circuits with dimmers. Another thing I noticed is that the advertised prices may not always match the prices on the shelves, and I was slightly disappointed the other day when I decided to purchase just a few of the more expensive dimmable GLS lights that the price shown (website?) was not reduced - £10 or so per light. However, when i go to the checkout the price came up at £5, so I immediately went back to buy more. At £5 each dimmable LEDs of this quality are a good buy, IMO.

    It may be that B & Q will put up the prices on these in the near future, but at the indicated prices they are good, and I will try to get a few more as I noticed that one of our lights is on a dimmer, which I hadn't remembered.

    Re dimmers, because of the way dimmers work, not all LED lights will work with all dimmers. Also, replacing incandescent lights or other forms of lighting with LEDs may cause dimming to fail, even if the LEDs are marked as dimmable, because some dimmers are designed to work with a moderate total load - say 50 -100 W, and replacing a few bulbs with dimmable LEDs may well take the total load below the load at which an existing dimmer will work satisfactorily. I did have to have one dimmer replaced because of a load issue a year or so back.

    Lastly, the prices on such LEDs is gradually dropping anyway. A couple of years ago I bought 16 x GU10 LEDs for about £192 - £!2 each. At the current B&Q prices I could get them for about a quarter of that - £48.

    If anyone else checks this out, note that not all LEDs from all manufacturers are similar. We think the Philips ones are good, and the light quality is fine, and maybe even perceived as brighter than the notional incandescant light equivalent, which is not always the case with other lights.
  • Cockney Sparrow
    Full Member
    • Jan 2014
    • 2239

    #2
    I have bought from a few sources, and there is a tolerable failure rate (about 15 bulbs in the kitchen, and only 2 or 3 failures over 3 years.. (and they were partly unbranded, before, in those earlier days, I went for Philips /branded ones)).

    I would add - double check your fitting (Bayonet, screw, size of - small or larger) before you unseal the packaging (exchangeable before then).
    And be sure about the colour characteristics. In our living room we wanted Warm White, in a different room "White" might be more useful, but it is more "harshly" white. As our kitchen (when all the lights are switched on) is very well lit, in the event we went for Warm White there too.

    I've used this outfit, which gave good service when there was an error in an item supplied. They have info on their website (I'm sure others do too) - but be aware if you end up on their email list, you get one about twice a week.

    (Of course I appreciate there is a lot to say for a local retailer where you can return products, face to face).

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    • Dave2002
      Full Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 17863

      #3
      Good point about Warm White. That's what we have now largely settled on. White from some manufacturers often has a bluish tinge. The colour temperature is usually about 2700 K degrees for Warm White, though the latest dimmable Philips offerings give a range from 220K-2700K in the Warm Glow series.

      it makes sense to only buy one or two bulbs for testing initially to check the light quality. Also, if running off a dimmer, I prefer to use lights of the same type from the same manfacturer, as otherwise, even perfectly good bulbs may not work with the dimmer circuits, as dimming for LEDs is rather complex.

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      • Dave2002
        Full Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 17863

        #4
        I can see from the previous post that the LED bulbs we installed must be about 20 months old by now. Most of the ones installed in the kitchen were the supposedly good Philips ones. So far one has failed completely, while several of the others are playing up. Typically they start up OK, then go off or go dim after 5-10 minutes.

        Sometimes this is because the bulbs aren't screwed in tightly - maybe due to thermal changes, but sometimes this seems inexplicable. I had to change the dimmers some while ago to make sure that the dimmers would function properly with LEDs (it's not quite as simple as with incandescent's or halogen). Today, in desperation I went looking for new bulbs, but couldn't find any dimmable LEDs.

        Looking at the packaging of the new ones (which I didn't buy) I noticed claims of long life - such as 20,000 hours, which is rather more than 2 years at continuous (24 hour) use, and the old ones certainly don't get anything like round the clock use - perhaps 4-5 hours per day on days when they are used.

        I just wonder if the claims for LED lights are vastly exaggerated. The only other factor I can think of is that the dimmers have ceased to function reliably. One of the LEDs definitely failed, as it doesn't work in any circuit.

        Have others found some LEDs rather less than satisfactory - and with much shorter lives than the manufacturers claim?

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        • ardcarp
          Late member
          • Nov 2010
          • 11102

          #5
          I decided to replace ALL the bulbs on our boat (both for internal lighting and for navigational purposes) about 3 years ago. They were supplied by a wonderful firm called Boatlamps (surprise, surprise) who specialise in producing like-for-like shapes and fittings. The advantage for yachties is that they draw a tiny amount of power and hence don't run down batteries. So far they have all worked perfectly and I've not had a single failure. We are talking about 12 volt systems of course.

          I've just (by coincidence) ordered two LED cooker hob lights for home. Just hope they behave equally well. BTW, some bulbs were marked 'not suitable for dimmers', so at least they let you know.

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          • Frances_iom
            Full Member
            • Mar 2007
            • 2407

            #6
            B + Q is not known for high quality - more usually operating towards the cheap end of the market so to be honest I would lower any expectations on that basis (possibly as with their tools buy cheap buy often) - that said you may well find that their other outlet - Screwfix has the same product, at a cheaper price.
            Also a key determinant in LED lifetime is heat - I suspect your spots have very limited ventilation especially if the power supply to drop mains voltage to LED drive current is housed within the base of the bulb - the flat LED panels as used in commercial offices tho dissipating 30-50W have generally a much better ventilation + thus heat removal and considerably longer life - another determinant is stability of the mains supply, spikes or overvoltage surges are killers esp for cheap circuits.

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            • Bryn
              Banned
              • Mar 2007
              • 24688

              #7
              I converted to LED throughout the house a couple of years ago using bulbs from various suppliers when they were on promotion. I have had but one problem bulb, a filament spotlight replacement. It works most of the time but intermittently shuts down, only to start up again unpredictably. I will have to check what brand it is.

              [Ah, it's an OSRAM, but not, as I wrongly recalled, a spotlight but a standard screw-fitting domestic style bulb I substituted for a reflector spotlight bulb. Perhaps it is just overheating.]
              Last edited by Bryn; 14-09-17, 20:10. Reason: Update

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              • teamsaint
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 25092

                #8
                I bought quite a few at poundland at the start of last autumn. Just had to replace the first one. They are in kitchen spotlights, and are on a lot during winter. Certainly helped reduce bills.
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                • cloughie
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2011
                  • 21992

                  #9
                  Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                  I bought quite a few at poundland at the start of last autumn. Just had to replace the first one. They are in kitchen spotlights, and are on a lot during winter. Certainly helped reduce bills.
                  Whenever I go past a Poundland a certain tune comes into my head.



                  Change of words -

                  Bargain buys, piled sky high - where? Down in Poundland....

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                  • Dave2002
                    Full Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 17863

                    #10
                    Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                    I bought quite a few at poundland at the start of last autumn. Just had to replace the first one. They are in kitchen spotlights, and are on a lot during winter. Certainly helped reduce bills.
                    The only lights I could spot in poundland right now are the rather nasty e14 halogen reflector bulbs - 28W and the G4 20W. The bulbs are cheapish, though. http://www.poundland.co.uk/home-and-...and-electrical

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                    • ardcarp
                      Late member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 11102

                      #11
                      halogen reflector bulbs
                      ...but halogen bulbs are not 'energy saving'. If they say 40W then they use 40W.

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                      • Dave2002
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 17863

                        #12
                        Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                        ...but halogen bulbs are not 'energy saving'. If they say 40W then they use 40W.
                        Indeed.

                        However I did buy a few packs of those very cheaply the other day (2 for a £1) as I get complaints about the low light levels, and also I suspect that if I mix one or two
                        in the kitchen light system it might just fix the problem with the dimmers. Otherwise I'm definitely not in favour of halogens, but LEDs don't seem anywhere as reliable as the manufacturers sometimes claim, and there are least 3 (three) different mechanisms used for dimming them depending on what kinds of LEDs are bought - it's not just a question of cutting the energy delivered to each bulb.

                        If the total load on a circuit is low enough - which is possible with LED combinations - some dimmers won't work. For example, replace 8 x 40W halogen bulbs with 8x4W LEDs and the total load goes down from 320 W to 32W, and some dimmers don't like small loads.

                        A complex (in more ways than one) issue.

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                        • Cockney Sparrow
                          Full Member
                          • Jan 2014
                          • 2239

                          #13
                          I'm currently looking at replacing some flickering LED Bulbs in our kitchen (used there for about 5 years now - no dimmer, one row of three comes on by sensor when anyone enters when light levels are low). I can't keep track of when I bought each one…..( don't want to be gloomy but, against other priorities, my life will definitely be too short). But this offer is for about £2.30 each lamp and the blurb at least is encouraging :

                          "Featuring the latest components, the 4W GU10 has been designed to last up to 15,000 hours, which is 15 years based on average use - outliving traditional lighting sources by up to 20 times.The bulbs provide high quality design by * meaning this LED light will outlast many others in its class."

                          All very encouraging. Then I learn the manufacturer really stands behind their product! :

                          "This GU10 bundle comes with a 1 year * warranty."


                          Where * is the name of the manufacturer.

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                          • Dave2002
                            Full Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 17863

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Cockney Sparrow View Post

                            Where * is the name of the manufacturer.
                            Manufacturers and distributors don't give a ** once they've got your money I suspect.

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