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  • Mandryka
    • Jan 2025

    Osama Bin Laden: Dead

    Apparently, he's been killed by U.S. forces in Pakistan and buried at sea.

    Obama, Cameron and the usual idiots have been crowing about this, but does it really represent any kind of turning point?

    I think it not. On to phase two (or is it three, or even four?)
  • Norfolk Born

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    • Bryn
      Banned
      • Mar 2007
      • 24688

      #3
      Originally posted by Mandryka View Post
      Apparently, he's been killed by U.S. forces in Pakistan and buried at sea.

      Obama, Cameron and the usual idiots have been crowing about this, but does it really represent any kind of turning point?

      I think it not. On to phase two (or is it three, or even four?)
      Ah, so what you are really saying is that you agree with "Obama, Cameron and the usual idiots". After all, they too are making the point that he was no longer directing things, and that his supporters will continue to do what they do.

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      • Mandryka

        #4
        Originally posted by Bryn View Post
        Ah, so what you are really saying is that you agree with "Obama, Cameron and the usual idiots". After all, they too are making the point that he was no longer directing things, and that his supporters will continue to do what they do.
        Most world leaders are sending out contradictory messages, which may be paraphrased thusly: 'Yay! We got him! But there are tough times ahead....' As far as I'm concerned, the second sentiment neutralises the first.

        Sarkozy, for once, got it right by concentrating on the danger of reprisals rather than this (probably meaningless) 'victory'.

        Obama now faces a tough decision on whether to market himself next year as 'the man who took out Bin Laden where others failed'.
        Last edited by Guest; 02-05-11, 09:25.

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        • Mr Pee
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 3285

          #5
          Originally posted by Mandryka View Post
          Apparently, he's been killed by U.S. forces in Pakistan and buried at sea.

          Obama, Cameron and the usual idiots have been crowing about this, but does it really represent any kind of turning point?

          I think it not. On to phase two (or is it three, or even four?)
          I haven't seen any "crowing" as you put it. What I've seen are dignified statements that quite rightly express pleasure that this deluded mass murderer and focal point for various deranged nutters around the globe, has finally met the end he deserved. All I can say is I hope it wasn't quick or painless.

          Perhaps amongst the "idiots" you'd include relatives of his victims, because some of them have also been expressing their delight at the news.

          This will not put a stop to Islamist terror, but it represents a serious blow to Al-Qaeda, who have been under intense pressure for some time.

          Congratulations to Obama and the US special forces for finally ridding the globe of this evil man.
          Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.

          Mark Twain.

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          • pilamenon
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 454

            #6
            All I can say is I hope it wasn't quick or painless.
            A remark which makes you no better than he morally. Vile.

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            • Mandryka

              #7
              Originally posted by Mr Pee View Post
              I haven't seen any "crowing" as you put it. What I've seen are dignified statements that quite rightly express pleasure that this deluded mass murderer and focal point for various deranged nutters around the globe, has finally met the end he deserved. All I can say is I hope it wasn't quick or painless.

              Perhaps amongst the "idiots" you'd include relatives of his victims, because some of them have also been expressing their delight at the news.

              This will not put a stop to Islamist terror, but it represents a serious blow to Al-Qaeda, who have been under intense pressure for some time.

              Congratulations to Obama and the US special forces for finally ridding the globe of this evil man.
              I'm not sure how much real comfort this death offers to the relatives of his victims....since, as most people are conceding, the terror will go on and possibly be stepped up as a result of OBL's death. This really is nothing to celebrate, wherever you happen to stand.

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              • doversoul1
                Ex Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 7132

                #8
                He may have been the most wanted man on earth but is killing a man something to ‘celebrate’? People filling the street, waving and cheering. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/

                I thought for a second, I was looking at a snapshot of the wedding. But again, I have never lost anyone in a terrorist attack so what do I know? All the same…

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                • Mr Pee
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 3285

                  #9
                  Originally posted by pilamenon View Post
                  A remark which makes you no better than he morally. Vile.
                  Really? I would like to think that he experienced at least a fraction of the terror and pain that he has caused to so many innocent victims before he was dispatched. There would be some justice there. And if you equate that sentiment with the atrocity of 9/11, and the other brutal assaults that he justified with his warped ideology, then I can live with that. I'm afraid I am unable to summon up even an iota of sympathy for Osama Bin Laden, any more than I would for Heinrich Himmler, Pol Pot, or Fred West. You apparently feel differently.
                  Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.

                  Mark Twain.

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                  • Ferretfancy
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 3487

                    #10
                    His death may put to bed the concept of an evil genius manipulating a worldwide network like a spider in the centre of a web. The reality is more mundane, with Al-Quaeda much more like a number of ill-co-ordinated and not very well organised groups who often seem to be unaware of what others are doing. Western countries have faced terrorism for more than a generation, from the Red Brigades, ETA, The IRA, and many more, and has coped fairly well with these threats, but somehow Al-Quaeda has been turned into a much more monstrous threat while in reality being in the same category.

                    Perhaps now some of the hysteria will die down a little, while we address the much more serious issues between us and the muslim world, and that will take much more skill than we have shown so far.

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                    • Mr Pee
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 3285

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Ferretfancy View Post
                      His death may put to bed the concept of an evil genius manipulating a worldwide network like a spider in the centre of a web. The reality is more mundane, with Al-Quaeda much more like a number of ill-co-ordinated and not very well organised groups who often seem to be unaware of what others are doing. Western countries have faced terrorism for more than a generation, from the Red Brigades, ETA, The IRA, and many more, and has coped fairly well with these threats, but somehow Al-Quaeda has been turned into a much more monstrous threat while in reality being in the same category.

                      Perhaps now some of the hysteria will die down a little, while we address the much more serious issues between us and the muslim world, and that will take much more skill than we have shown so far.
                      I think the difference with Al-Qaeda is that there is no limit to the carnage they are prepared to wreak in the pursuit of their ideology and the fact that, unlike the other groups you mention, suicide bombing is a standard means of attack.
                      Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.

                      Mark Twain.

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                      • Nick Armstrong
                        Host
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 26575

                        #12
                        Originally posted by doversoul View Post
                        He may have been the most wanted man on earth but is killing a man something to ‘celebrate’? People filling the street, waving and cheering. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/

                        I thought for a second, I was looking at a snapshot of the wedding. But again, I have never lost anyone in a terrorist attack so what do I know? All the same…
                        I hesitate to enter this particular bad-tempered chat room, but having just seen a couple of clips I join doversoul in finding the whooping and cheering of the crowd outside the White House pretty nauseating. Makes our American cousins look barbaric - but then I don't suppose it has any more connection with how most people there think and act normally than the Royal-struck crowd outside Buckingham Palace wearing plastic tiaras and shouting "Kiss Kiss" on Friday...
                        "...the isle is full of noises,
                        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                        • Mr Pee
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 3285

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                          I hesitate to enter this particular bad-tempered chat room, but having just seen a couple of clips I join doversoul in finding the whooping and cheering of the crowd outside the White House pretty nauseating. Makes our American cousins look barbaric - but then I don't suppose it has any more connection with how most people there think and act normally than the Royal-struck crowd outside Buckingham Palace wearing plastic tiaras and shouting "Kiss Kiss" on Friday...
                          The barbarism occured on 9/11. Let's not forget the seismic effect that event had on the USA and the world as a whole. The Americans have finally seen the planner of that atrocity brought to justice. I think they can be allowed a little celebration.
                          Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.

                          Mark Twain.

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                          • Flosshilde
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 7988

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Ferretfancy View Post
                            His death may put to bed the concept of an evil genius manipulating a worldwide network like a spider in the centre of a web. The reality is more mundane, with Al-Quaeda much more like a number of ill-co-ordinated and not very well organised groups who often seem to be unaware of what others are doing. Western countries have faced terrorism for more than a generation, from the Red Brigades, ETA, The IRA, and many more, and has coped fairly well with these threats, but somehow Al-Quaeda has been turned into a much more monstrous threat while in reality being in the same category.

                            Perhaps now some of the hysteria will die down a little, while we address the much more serious issues between us and the muslim world, and that will take much more skill than we have shown so far.
                            The idea of Al-Quaeda as an organisation with a massive network is questionable - it's been suggested that it never existed in the form the USA portrayed it in, & that it was a construct (fantasy?) of the USA security forces. The claimed disposal of the body at sea is surely highly unusual - wouldn't it have been taken back to the USA for verification? The 'firefigh' at the site preceeding his capture/killing will also presumably have destroyed any evidence of Al-Quaeda's true extent.

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                            • Flosshilde
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 7988

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Mr Pee View Post
                              ... The Americans have finally seen the planner of that atrocity brought to justice. I think they can be allowed a little celebration.
                              Simplistic as always. He hasn't been 'brought to justice'. He's been - apparently - killed by the USA army, which is not the same thing. I doubt that there was much effort made to capture him alive so that he could stand trial, the USA government not believing much in things like international courts, justice, etc.

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