Noise or silence: who decides?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

To a sound artist that's the equivalent of suggesting that harpsichords should all be replaced by electronic instruments or better still a sample played off laptop
The intimate sound one gets listening on headphones is a completely different thing (without going into ideas of co-presence etc etc) entirely to listening through loudspeakers.

A price worth paying - far better than imposing unwanted sounds on everyone.

[MrGongGong]

But we are not talking here about the sort of exhibition where ther original artist has any input into the exhibition at all.

Does that make a substantial difference?
I'm not sure that it does
Are you equally offended by all reinterpretations or re-contextualisations?

I'm not saying that these things are always successful, far from it BUT surely it IS appropriate for people to reimagine and recombine work of the past.
At the moment i'm listening to this https://www.alia-vox.com/cataleg.php?id=104

[MrGongGong]

A price worth paying - far better than imposing unwanted sounds on everyone.

1: They aren't unwanted
2: They aren't "on everyone"
3: It's the job of the curator to decide, you might decide you don't like their work so don't go in future

I'm sending an email to Bill Thompson (http://www.billthompson.org/theburni...ts-and-sounds/)
I'll tell him you said it was ok

[MrGongGong]

I see no reason for the inolvement of a sound artist in an exhibition of ancient Egyptian artefacts.

That's not a reason to rule out the possibility

I obviously DO see a reason (and not just because I want the gig)
I see no reason for "concert performances" of Opera, it's NOT what the composer intended

[Serial_Apologist]

But we are not talking here about the sort of exhibition where the original artist has any input into the exhibition at all.

It raises profound issues, not least with regards to inference and correspondence.

[ahinton]

I see no reason for "concert performances" of Opera, it's NOT what the composer intended

I suspect that there have been and yet will be plenty of stage productions of operas that are "NOT what the composer intended"! One of the first and worst such that I can remember is a WNO one of Elektra around 40 years ago in the Bristol HIPPodrome (not); it was so awful that I could imagine that, had Strauss heard it, he's have spun in his grave at such a speed as to enable him to have powered the lighting...

[Serial_Apologist]

I see no reason for "concert performances" of Opera, it's NOT what the composer intended

Yes but that's opera with one of its parameters omitted; whereas here what we're talking about is the different matter of art forms with other media extrinsic to themselves added.

[MrGongGong]

Yes but that's opera with one of its parameters omitted; whereas here what we're talking about is the different matter of art forms with other media extrinsic to themselves added.

There is ALWAYS sound in exhibitions
It might be that it's only relatively recently that this has become thought about in terms of sound design but it's always been there.

[french frank]

No
I'm saying if you want to be able to choose everything, what you see, what you hear while you see, how many people are there with you, what the temperature is and so on then I would suggest going to things curated by other people is probably always going to be a disappointment.

'What you hear while you see' is the only point at issue here. Not what flavour popcorn is on sale. Or 'everything' as you put it.

I would suggest a sound artist should be allowed to create a sound show - and that's what people would buy tickets for. The curator may curate some visual displays to go with the sound, but at least those who came for the sound show wouldn't have to look at the pictures: sound is the most invasive sensation (perhaps with the exception of evil smells).

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Why have I suddenly begun to think of "curator" and "sound design" as offensive words?

We should be aware that those with vested interests are less likely to be wholly objective on matters such as this.



In response to Jean's earlier post, I went into the Scarborough M & S store today. It was sheer bliss without the annoying imposition of aural pollution, curated by the former corporate management, and I thanked the current store manager (who seemed more than pleased about the change herself).

[MrGongGong]

'What you hear while you see' is the only point at issue here. Not what flavour popcorn is on sale. Or 'everything' as you put it.

I would suggest a sound artist should be allowed to create a sound show - and that's what people would buy tickets for. The curator may curate some visual displays to go with the sound, but at least those who came for the sound show wouldn't have to look at the pictures: sound is the most invasive sensation (perhaps with the exception of evil smells).

Poor Scriabin
It's not the only "point at issue" at all apart from in the minds of those who seem to want to put everything in discreet boxes at a time when one of the trajectories of Art has been to blur artform distinctions (and has been for many many years). This "argument" neatly illustrates how "far behind" visual arts music audiences can be.

If you talk with art students you will find that one of the things they are often very interested in is SOUND and many of them have a far deeper understanding of the semiotics of these things than most musicians who are still chuntering on about whether it's ok to say "hello" to the audience when playing a string quartet.

Why have I suddenly begun to think of "curator" and "sound design" as offensive words?
.

Because you enjoy trying to inflict your version of the way things should be on others?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Because you enjoy trying to inflict your version of the way things should be on others?

Not I, but the curators do this - inflicting "good for you" sounds on others, whether those others like it or not. How presumptuous!

[jean]

...at a time when one of the trajectories of Art has been to blur artform distinctions (and has been for many many years)...

Nobody is talking about the sort of show where a sound artist works in partnership with a visual artist to create something new in which both of them are equal partners.

Nothing (well, not much) could be further from the sort of exhibition I started this thread about.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

On the bright side, my M & S experience today has persuaded me to put the wire clippers away.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

On the bright side, my M & S experience today has persuaded me to put the wire clippers away.

Swap those two initials and you've summed up my weekend, Alpie.