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  • richardfinegold
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    • Sep 2012
    • 7747

    Pets

    I have recently noticed that my wife and I are the only residents on our block of about 20 homes that do not have a pet. How many forumites own pets?
    My parents did not want animals in the house. I grew up terrified of dogs, for a variety of reasons. One of my earliest memories was of a German Shepherd mauling an older boy while his owner was egging the dog on (so was my perception--the owner was probably yelling at his dog to desist, but perceptions are realities).
    My best boyhood friend--later my college roommate- family owned an Alaskan Husky. When I visited my friend I was obliged to walk through his yard. After they purchased Buck they kept him on a long leash in the non -fenced -in -yard. Buck would run at me, snarling and fangs glistening, and get within feet of me before his tether would yoke him back. My friend's family pooh poohed the notion that Buck was a danger and would ridicule me when I expressed my fears. Last year my friend was visiting and we were reminiscing. It turned out that the family ultimately had to give Buck to a shelter because of "legal actions".
    It turned that Buck had broke free from his tether twice, one time killing a smaller dog and one time mauling a passerby and apparently causing him permanent nerve damage in his arm.
    As an adult I finally learned to relax around dogs when my contemporaries owned them. These were usually family friendly dogs such as Golden Retrievers. These dogs would have their foibles--i remember helping my neighbor by driving around for two hours looking for his dog that would routinely bolt the house if a door opened--but were generally harmless, and I found myself wanting one. My ex wife detested dogs, however, and ignored the entreaties of our kids. My current wife grew up with dogs but there were some incidents with dogs in her family and so she hasn't expressed more than a passing desire to own one. We both work long hours and being childless it wouldn't seem fair to a dog to be alone all day in the house.
    The aforementioned roommate and I did take in a stray cat at University, a Tabby. To this day it remains the only real pet I have ever taken on. Tiger earned his keep by keeping the mice count in the student apartment to an acceptable level. However, a couple of years later I discovered that any cat exposure would cause me to sneeze, water eyes, and wheeze. I have asthma and I developed a cat allergy. Interestingly, I just saw an Allergist two weeks ago and underwent testing for the first time in more than 20 years that showed I am allergic to dogs but not to cats.
    The eccentricity of Pet owners never fails to astound me. I have had Patients that refuse to spend anything for their own health but will pay for dialysis and chemotherapy for their pets--all out of pocket.
    I know many dog owners, usually childless, whose whole life and vacation schedule is determined by their pets. My next door neighbor allows their dog to do hit's business anywhere in the house, think it is adorable when he eats his own excrement, and sleep in bed with it. I find it very difficult to spend any time in their house but they are lovely people and close friends. I am always surprised when otherwise sensitive and reasonable people don't realize that not every one adores being around their pets.
    So in conclusion, I am not a pet lover. In many people's minds not adoring pets is equivalent to admitting one grew up in the Ku Klux Klan. How about you?
  • LeMartinPecheur
    Full Member
    • Apr 2007
    • 4717

    #2
    My wife and I both had pet dogs as children and once she finished full-time work getting one was a first priority, even before we managed children. Always rescue dogs, from charities or directly from people who couldn't cope. So far, one Bouvier, one Welsh Terrier, two Collie-crosses and a Chow(-Chow). One Collie-cross and the C(-C) currently...

    ...plus a cat bequeathed to us with the C-C. Fortunately the current collie also lived with the cat before she (the collie) came to us, so reasonable calm reigns, even though the collie seems still to resent the new arrivals and was probably 'beaten up' by the cat when they last shared a home! But now the cat is a bit too old to be mixing it much...

    Dogs, I love 'em! And am almost reconciled to the cat, particularly as she seems to like watching Match of the Day on my chest Saturday and Sunday nights
    I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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    • richardfinegold
      Full Member
      • Sep 2012
      • 7747

      #3
      Do you have children, LMP?

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      • Dave2002
        Full Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 18045

        #4
        Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
        However, a couple of years later I discovered that any cat exposure would cause me to sneeze, water eyes, and wheeze. I have asthma and I developed a cat allergy. Interestingly, I just saw an Allergist two weeks ago and underwent testing for the first time in more than 20 years that showed I am allergic to dogs but not to cats.
        So what do you learn from this? I suspect you know best, and your Allergist is wrong.

        I would have no hestiation in telling people I'm allergic to cats, which I first noticed many years ago when I was learning to drive. There was a cat in the office of the driving school - a real hairy and cuddly thing, and I used to stroke it. Then I noticed that I'd have problems, very likely sore eyes - can't remember the exact details, but I know that was when I first became aware of the problem. Since then I have fairly consistently had problems if I go anywhere where there are cats about. One friend had several, and every time we went to visit them, or even stay, I had terrible problems - nose problems, sore eyes, which took hours to dissiipate after we said goodby. Now he has dogs instead, and they seem to cause me less of a problem.

        I don't dislike dogs or cats particularly, but I think they are over rated. In the UK I believe that people spend more on charities like the RSPCA than they do on others, such as the NSPCC - the National Society for the Protection of Children. Pets seem to have a higher priority than people, sometimes.

        Also, dogs and cats are really bad for wildlife and some rare species.

        I can believe that pets are quite good for health - many people seem to find that having a pet is beneficial to them. Dogs have the major advantage that they seem to require their owners to take them out regularly, so that the owners get exercise. Cats seem to give some a sense of companionship. There's also the responsibility thing - the animals need looking after so the owners get a routine which may help them - giving them a sense of purpose. There have been studies which show the health benefits of cats and dogs - though if there's a field with skylarks in nearby, the dogs and cats owned as pets in the area will ensure that they are not there for long.

        We don't have pets, and I think that too many people have them and spend more time and money on them than seems sensible.

        However, I do buy bird food, and enjoy watching birds come to feed in our garden - it's quite surprising how many will come. As with keeping pets, this is interfering with nature - perhaps something we shouldn't really do.

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        • teamsaint
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 25231

          #5
          I really don't get on with dogs, I'm afraid. probably because my brother got bitten by one when young, and we never had dogs as kids. No doubt they are great pets, and i know its my problem.

          My real issue with dogs is owners who allow their huge and potentially lethal pet to bound up to me when off the leash, ( the dogs, not me) and sniff, bark and otherwise harass me. I find it deeply intrusive and unpleasant.
          Sorry to say, 99 time out of 100 the owners just ignore this unwanted intrusion, and don't even apologise.
          I'm sure dog loving forum members would never allow this sort of thing.
          I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

          I am not a number, I am a free man.

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          • umslopogaas
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 1977

            #6
            I dont have pets because, living alone, they make it so difficult to go away for more than a few hours: you have to arrange with friends and neighbours to look after them. I couldnt have a dog because of their dependency and anyway, I dont much like them. I might have a cat, they are more independent and I like them. However, I live on a busy road and I dont think it would be wise, I fear any cat would sooner or later get run over.

            It is amazing how blind pet owners are to their pets' unpleasantness. My nephew has an appalling hysterical yapping little terrier that appears hyperactive and makes enough noise to raise the dead. They love it, I would love to kick it into next Thursday, but have so far managed to resist.

            When I was a child my dad owned the bungalow opposite, which he rented to a man who was a freelance industrial chemist, a most unusual profession. He was known throughout the area as the man who had the ether bottle, so everyone would bring their unwanted kittens to him to be put down. However his wife was a soft-hearted soul and would never let him do it. They must have had at least thirty cats, and I'm sure they spent more on cat food than on food for themselves. The smell around the house was absolutely terrible, but they didnt seem to mind.

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            • Nick Armstrong
              Host
              • Nov 2010
              • 26575

              #7
              Originally posted by umslopogaas View Post
              It is amazing how blind pet owners are to their pets' unpleasantness. My nephew has an appalling hysterical yapping little terrier that appears hyperactive and makes enough noise to raise the dead. They love it, I would love to kick it into next Thursday, but have so far managed to resist.




              Originally posted by umslopogaas View Post
              When I was a child my dad owned the bungalow opposite, which he rented to a man who was a freelance industrial chemist, a most unusual profession. He was known throughout the area as the man who had the ether bottle, so everyone would bring their unwanted kittens to him to be put down. However his wife was a soft-hearted soul and would never let him do it. They must have had at least thirty cats, and I'm sure they spent more on cat food than on food for themselves. The smell around the house was absolutely terrible, but they didnt seem to mind.



              Originally posted by umslopogaas View Post
              they make it so difficult to go away for more than a few hours: you have to arrange with friends and neighbours to look after them. I couldnt have a dog because of their dependency and anyway, I dont much like them. I might have a cat, they are more independent and I like them. However, I live on a busy road and I dont think it would be wise, I fear any cat would sooner or later get run over.
              Agree with that, save that there's potentially a slightly longer period of autonomy with cats - there used to be three sibling rescue cats here, and thanks to the place being ideally-adapted (access to a secure outside yard = no need for them to go and play in the traffic...), they could be left for two nights unattended (given hard food which doesn't deteriorate, enough water and no need for medication). Age and the need for regular tablets makes it more complicated; and you're right, longer travels are a pain/expense. The impending increase in the latter means that I don't foresee more pets, and it's rather a relief. Dogs (which I love by and large when owned by other people) I would never own for the precise reason you state. I also have an aversion to all the dog owners one sees in the centre of town whose animals are cooped up in totally inappropriate surroundings save for a walk once or twice a day - it seems to be the poor things are used as almost lifestyle accessories with little regard for their well-being in a broad sense, especially the larger dogs. (The little yappers need booting anyway, as you say!). That plus the need to pick up warm poop in plastic bags the whole time renders the whole canine idea a complete non-starter for me.
              "...the isle is full of noises,
              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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              • richardfinegold
                Full Member
                • Sep 2012
                • 7747

                #8
                Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
                So what do you learn from this? I suspect you know best, and your Allergist is wrong.

                I would have no hestiation in telling people I'm allergic to cats, which I first noticed many years ago when I was learning to drive. There was a cat in the office of the driving school - a real hairy and cuddly thing, and I used to stroke it. Then I noticed that I'd have problems, very likely sore eyes - can't remember the exact details, but I know that was when I first became aware of the problem. Since then I have fairly consistently had problems if I go anywhere where there are cats about. One friend had several, and every time we went to visit them, or even stay, I had terrible problems - nose problems, sore eyes, which took hours to dissiipate after we said goodby. Now he has dogs instead, and they seem to cause me less of a problem.

                I don't dislike dogs or cats particularly, but I think they are over rated. In the UK I believe that people spend more on charities like the RSPCA than they do on others, such as the NSPCC - the National Society for the Protection of Children. Pets seem to have a higher priority than people, sometimes.

                Also, dogs and cats are really bad for wildlife and some rare species.

                I can believe that pets are quite good for health - many people seem to find that having a pet is beneficial to them. Dogs have the major advantage that they seem to require their owners to take them out regularly, so that the owners get exercise. Cats seem to give some a sense of companionship. There's also the responsibility thing - the animals need looking after so the owners get a routine which may help them - giving them a sense of purpose. There have been studies which show the health benefits of cats and dogs - though if there's a field with skylarks in nearby, the dogs and cats owned as pets in the area will ensure that they are not there for long.

                We don't have pets, and I think that too many people have them and spend more time and money on them than seems sensible.

                However, I do buy bird food, and enjoy watching birds come to feed in our garden - it's quite surprising how many will come. As with keeping pets, this is interfering with nature - perhaps something we shouldn't really do.

                Skin Testing for Allergies is not a perfect science. My Allergist added Cat Dander to the serum I am being treated with and stated that a reliable history (I.e., my cat intolerance symptoms) is just as meaningful as the test results.
                The Health Benefits Of Pets has another side. I have had several Patients and acquaintances seriously injured by their pets. Many older and frail people have fallen and fractured their hip or spines when a dog got excited chasing a squirrel
                Or something and caused their owner to fall. One lady fell over her cat which suddenly darted in her bath, fractured her hip, was on the ground for hours before being discovered and died 2 days later of kidney failure. My neighbor is younger than me, has a new and very hyper puppy (her husband is a Psychiatrist and I suggested he give it Prozac) and now has a boot on her foot after fracturing her foot due to some dog related mishap. My Grandson was attacked by his Westy Terrier soon after his second birthday and nearly lost an eye. I have had to hospitalize Patients for dog and cat bites, which quickly become infected.
                Last edited by richardfinegold; 19-10-15, 10:48.

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                • french frank
                  Administrator/Moderator
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 30507

                  #9
                  I had my own dog (and cat) when I was a child, but as we lived in the country he just ran wild in a large, unfenced garden and adjacent woods and fields. I wouldn't mind a dog if I didn't live in a terraced house with not even any grass in the back yard …

                  But if you could see my back yard - it's Fortress Frank with many strategies to keep the neighbours' cats out. After trying many methods - and spent a lot of money - one after the other, I have finally succeeded (99% of the time). If my neighbours think I'm mad, so be it. (And lion dung does not work on all cats).

                  And NO, I don't want to keep a cat to keep out all the other cats …
                  It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                  • richardfinegold
                    Full Member
                    • Sep 2012
                    • 7747

                    #10
                    Originally posted by umslopogaas View Post
                    I dont have pets because, living alone, they make it so difficult to go away for more than a few hours: you have to arrange with friends and neighbours to look after them. I couldnt have a dog because of their dependency and anyway, I dont much like them. I might have a cat, they are more independent and I like them. However, I live on a busy road and I dont think it would be wise, I fear any cat would sooner or later get run over.

                    It is amazing how blind pet owners are to their pets' unpleasantness. My nephew has an appalling hysterical yapping little terrier that appears hyperactive and makes enough noise to raise the dead. They love it, I would love to kick it into next Thursday, but have so far managed to resist.

                    When I was a child my dad owned the bungalow opposite, which he rented to a man who was a freelance industrial chemist, a most unusual profession. He was known throughout the area as the man who had the ether bottle, so everyone would bring their unwanted kittens to him to be put down. However his wife was a soft-hearted soul and would never let him do it. They must have had at least thirty cats, and I'm sure they spent more on cat food than on food for themselves. The smell around the house was absolutely terrible, but they didnt seem to mind.

                    I have a couple of Patients that keep multiple cats. I have had to ask them to please remove as much dander as possible before their appointments because otherwise they might be forced to perform CPR on their Doctor during the appointment.

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                    • Dave2002
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 18045

                      #11
                      Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                      I really don't get on with dogs, I'm afraid. probably because my brother got bitten by one when young, and we never had dogs as kids. No doubt they are great pets, and i know its my problem.

                      My real issue with dogs is owners who allow their huge and potentially lethal pet to bound up to me when off the leash, ( the dogs, not me) and sniff, bark and otherwise harass me. I find it deeply intrusive and unpleasant.
                      Sorry to say, 99 time out of 100 the owners just ignore this unwanted intrusion, and don't even apologise.
                      I'm sure dog loving forum members would never allow this sort of thing.
                      No it's not your problem!

                      My grandmother had a dog at one time, a boxer, which apparently she liked. I guess I liked it too, but my mother didn't. It used to lie down and lick its - er - bits, but when we arrived it would rush up, try to knock us over, and would try to lick our faces. ** It might also have been weeing with excitement as it stood up on its hind legs too, or perhaps it was just trying to copulate with us!

                      My grandfather would stand ineffectually behind shouting "Get down! Get off!" He might, I vaguelly recollect, also have tried to hit its rear with a rolled up newspaper - which the dog also ignored.

                      Funny, but yuk!

                      That, and the fact that it would on occasions try to get at plates of cooked chicken or turkey which had been left out on tables, and would at least try to lick them - see earlier ** and later we might have turkey or chicken sandwiches really endeared it to my mother.

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                      • Eine Alpensinfonie
                        Host
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 20575

                        #12
                        In the case of dogs, it's generally the owners who are at fault. Only last week, we saw a dog pooping on our front lawn, with the owner patiently waiting until it had done its business. By the time I could get out to remonstrate with the owner, it was too late, and both beasts had moved on.

                        I recall a story a teaching colleague told me some 30+ years ago, when an owner was directing the dog to leave its mess in his front gateway, unbeknown to the fact that my colleague was doing some gardening and saw it all happening. As soon as the dog had completed its task, the colleague picked up the deposits in his hand an chased after the owner, saying "Excuse me; you've dropped something", and placed them in the owner's hand. When he told us, I commented that he had it all over his hand too. He chuckled and replied: "Oh, but I was able to wash it off right away. He wasn't!"

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                        • Dave2002
                          Full Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 18045

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                          In the case of dogs, it's generally the owners who are at fault. Only last week, we saw a dog pooping on our front lawn, with the owner patiently waiting until it had done its business. By the time I could get out to remonstrate with the owner, it was too late, and both beasts had moved on.

                          I recall a story a teaching colleague told me some 30+ years ago, when an owner was directing the dog to leave its mess in his front gateway, unbeknown to the fact that my colleague was doing some gardening and saw it all happening. As soon as the dog had completed its task, the colleague picked up the deposits in his hand an chased after the owner, saying "Excuse me; you've dropped something", and placed them in the owner's hand. When he told us, I commented that he had it all over his hand too. He chuckled and replied: "Oh, but I was able to wash it off right away. He wasn't!"
                          A few years ago I saw a woman, one of our neighbours at the time walking her dog, which did its business right by our drive - as you suggest - while she waited. She and the dog were on the way out to the woods. I got a chair by my front door just out of her immediate sight and waited for her to come back until she got close, as I knew she would eventually, then I mentioned this. She claimed, expressing surprised indignation, "it wasn't my dog, couldn't have been as I always take out bags" though unfortunately she'd obviously used them out in the woods as she had none on her person on that occasion A few minutes later she came back with a bag and cleared it up.

                          Re the bags, they can also present problems. Round here there are fields. Some stupid dog owners take out bags and maybe trowels, then put the mess in the bags, and then just drop the bags on the ground or in the hedges. It would be much better, if they're not going to remove the stuff just to relocate it to discrete out of the way parts , where it could bio degrade naturally.

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                          • Nick Armstrong
                            Host
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 26575

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
                            unfortunately she'd obviously used them out in the woods ...
                            As I read your post, I was expecting your sentence to end '... and had none left for the dog'. I know, I know, it says more about me...
                            "...the isle is full of noises,
                            Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                            Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                            Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                            • Dave2002
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 18045

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                              As I read your post, I was expecting your sentence to end '... and had none left for the dog'. I know, I know, it says more about me...
                              Took me more than a few seconds to work that one out. What a mind! Now rolling with laughter!

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