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  • Serial_Apologist
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    • Dec 2010
    • 37920

    The Los Angeles fires

    Most people here will have seen or heard about the fire devastation currently being inflicted on the leafy suburbs north of Los Angeles on the news. The causes, while not unusual at other times of the year, certainly are in mid-winter in that neck of the woods, High pressure builds up to the north, low pressure to the south; dry air leaks south west from the former to the latter comes up against the twin barriers of the Sierra Nevada and the cap, or temperature inversion associated with the high pressure, and is diverted south, and then further channelled and squeezed through the gaps along the mountain range to the north of LA. This greatly accelerated air flow descends down the south facing slopes which accommodate the suburbs, further drying out and rising by temperature, by virtue of compression, as it reaches LA.

    What differs from usual in this year's outbreak is tinder-dry vegetation, following almost two months of drought and unseasonably high temperatures. Double irony lies in the fact that the most affected so far are the largely the uber-wealthy districts inhabited by a US establishment electorally predisposed to climate change denial and the famous with whom they mix, along with its shortly to be installed President. The symmetry between event and scepticism is surely noteworthy. Whether this tragic experience will prove the wake-up call or crazy confirmation of whatever conspiracy scenarios are perpetrated explanations by the usual suspects, in high places, believed in the collective mindset of too many American citizens, remains to be seen, as this once-great country and exemplar witnesses its own precious possessions sacrificed to the flames, along with the unlearned lessons of history.
  • pastoralguy
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 7845

    #2
    As to be expected, trump, (sic), offers no solutions, empathy or understanding of the situation. Just blame, accusations and bile. How this clown came to be president again is beyond me.

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    • Ein Heldenleben
      Full Member
      • Apr 2014
      • 7066

      #3
      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
      Most people here will have seen or heard about the fire devastation currently being inflicted on the leafy suburbs north of Los Angeles on the news. The causes, while not unusual at other times of the year, certainly are in mid-winter in that neck of the woods, High pressure builds up to the north, low pressure to the south; dry air leaks south west from the former to the latter comes up against the twin barriers of the Sierra Nevada and the cap, or temperature inversion associated with the high pressure, and is diverted south, and then further channelled and squeezed through the gaps along the mountain range to the north of LA. This greatly accelerated air flow descends down the south facing slopes which accommodate the suburbs, further drying out and rising by temperature, by virtue of compression, as it reaches LA.

      What differs from usual in this year's outbreak is tinder-dry vegetation, following almost two months of drought and unseasonably high temperatures. Double irony lies in the fact that the most affected so far are the largely the uber-wealthy districts inhabited by a US establishment electorally predisposed to climate change denial and the famous with whom they mix, along with its shortly to be installed President. The symmetry between event and scepticism is surely noteworthy. Whether this tragic experience will prove the wake-up call or crazy confirmation of whatever conspiracy scenarios are perpetrated explanations by the usual suspects, in high places, believed in the collective mindset of too many American citizens, remains to be seen, as this once-great country and exemplar witnesses its own precious possessions sacrificed to the flames, along with the unlearned lessons of history.
      Not sure your second par is psephologically accurate . California is a rock solid Dem state with the Pacific Palisades for example voting 71 % Harris and 27% Trump. California has some of the most far reaching environmental legislation of any US state. Even if they’d all voted for Trump and were passionate oil drillers no one deserves to see their house go up in smoke.

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      • Ian Thumwood
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        • Dec 2010
        • 4273

        #4
        I will be intrigued how Trump reacts. Not convinced that he is smart enough to draw the line to global warming. What is shocking is seeing the developed world experiencing Third World problem. It is a matter of reeping what you sow for the Americans....just a shame that California is a Liberal and anti Trump state. With the orange man-baby at the helm, we can only expect more of this.


        I do not think Trump will live long enough to serve a full term. Just think he will be replaced when everything starts to go pear shaped. I think he will be found to be too unsound evening he lives long enough. Hopefully he will take down Mr Wierd with him too.

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        • Ein Heldenleben
          Full Member
          • Apr 2014
          • 7066

          #5
          Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View Post
          I will be intrigued how Trump reacts. Not convinced that he is smart enough to draw the line to global warming. What is shocking is seeing the developed world experiencing Third World problem. It is a matter of reeping what you sow for the Americans....just a shame that California is a Liberal and anti Trump state. With the orange man-baby at the helm, we can only expect more of this.


          I do not think Trump will live long enough to serve a full term. Just think he will be replaced when everything starts to go pear shaped. I think he will be found to be too unsound evening he lives long enough. Hopefully he will take down Mr Wierd with him too.
          Wildfires are a common phenomenon in the States, Australia , Southern France , Greece. They are more of a first world problem because poor people tend to live in parts of cities completely lacking the vegetation , especially understorey , that feed wildfires. If you’re interested as to why they are becoming more devastating the earlier chapters of Jarred Diamond’s Collapse give an excellent analysis.

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          • Serial_Apologist
            Full Member
            • Dec 2010
            • 37920

            #6
            Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post

            Not sure your second par is psephologically accurate . California is a rock solid Dem state with the Pacific Palisades for example voting 71 % Harris and 27% Trump. California has some of the most far reaching environmental legislation of any US state. Even if they’d all voted for Trump and were passionate oil drillers no one deserves to see their house go up in smoke.
            Yes, that is fair,

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            • smittims
              Full Member
              • Aug 2022
              • 4516

              #7
              Aldous Huxley lost his home and virtually all his posessions in a similar event in California in the later part of his life. I wonder if he wished he'd stayed in England, or if he was philosophical about it.

              An equivalent probelm affects Florida (hurricanes) and again this often affects the wealthy people who have moved to live there. I wonder if they assss the risks beforehand.

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              • johncorrigan
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 10447

                #8
                This short and very moving piece by Colm Toibin appeared in the most recent London Review of Books.
                ​​​​​https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v47/...m-toibin/in-la

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                • LMcD
                  Full Member
                  • Sep 2017
                  • 8776

                  #9
                  Originally posted by smittims View Post
                  Aldous Huxley lost his home and virtually all his posessions in a similar event in California in the later part of his life. I wonder if he wished he'd stayed in England, or if he was philosophical about it.

                  An equivalent probelm affects Florida (hurricanes) and again this often affects the wealthy people who have moved to live there. I wonder if they assss the risks beforehand.
                  Schoenberg's archive has reportedly been destroyed in the current fires in and around LA.

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                  • oddoneout
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2015
                    • 9363

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post

                    Wildfires are a common phenomenon in the States, Australia , Southern France , Greece. They are more of a first world problem because poor people tend to live in parts of cities completely lacking the vegetation , especially understorey , that feed wildfires. If you’re interested as to why they are becoming more devastating the earlier chapters of Jarred Diamond’s Collapse give an excellent analysis.
                    They are part of the natural world, and are necessary for regeneration of plant cover; some species need exposure to fire or smoke to germinate; patches of cleared ground allow the seedlings the light and space they need with the ash providing a source of nutrients as well. The new growth from fire damaged trees and shrubs is of value to grazing animals, it's the reason for the firing of heather moors in this country for the grouse.
                    Human activity can make them a problem, and climate change exacerbates the effects. Many countries where they are common have regulations about how residents manage their land and activities, to try and reduce the spread and impact of the fires, such as clearing old undergrowth, and creating firebreaks.
                    A century of foolhardy development, including public subsidies for rebuilding in the firebelt, hugely contributed to this tragedy, writes our architecture critic. LA must rethink – and build upwards not outwards

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