Clocks again

[french frank]

I personally would not like BST in the Winter.

I think it would just be GMT+1 ...

[smittims]

They tried staying an hour ahead in the winter in, I think,the early '70s. It was called 'British Standard Time' and it raised a lot of complaints (children having to go to school in the dark, for instace, though they have to do that in the North and Scotland anyway). Other countries have odd times too. In 'The Cherry Orchard', I thik, it's light at 2 am.

[Old Grumpy]

They tried staying an hour ahead in the winter in, I think,the early '70s. It was called 'British Standard Time' and it raised a lot of complaints (children having to go to school in the dark, for instace, though they have to do that in the North and Scotland anyway). Other countries have odd times too. In 'The Cherry Orchard', I thik, it's light at 2 am.

Yes, I remember that. I lived in the South at the time and it was still pretty dark in the mornings.

[Pulcinella]

Yes, I remember that. I lived in the South at the time and it was still pretty dark in the mornings.

I've said it before and will say it again:

Dark getting lighter (mornings) is safer and better than dark getting darker (evenings).

[Dave2002]

Yes, I remember that. I lived in the South at the time and it was still pretty dark in the mornings.

Other countries have odd times too. In 'The Cherry Orchard', I think, it's light at 2 am.

I doubt that in the Cherry Orchard it was light at 2am - unless the location were far north, and also the location in the play may have been far east of Moscow - if the time zones at that period were based on Moscow time. Also it would have had to be a bit later in the year I think.

I lived above latitude 60 degrees for a while, and around April it was certainly possible to be woken up with bright sunlight at 2am - much to my surprise. Blackout is needed to stop that, and my attempts with a carboard box were insufficient.

[LMcD]

They tried staying an hour ahead in the winter in, I think,the early '70s. It was called 'British Standard Time' and it raised a lot of complaints (children having to go to school in the dark, for instace, though they have to do that in the North and Scotland anyway). Other countries have odd times too. In 'The Cherry Orchard', I thik, it's light at 2 am.

1968-1971.

[french frank]

It's probably less complicated now than it was in pre-Victorian times. The time was calculated around the country by the position of the sun; and the position of the sun varied from place to place. "Railway time" was introduced by GWR in 1840 and was standardised by about 1860. Changing the hour twice a year seems easier than changing it several times a day as one travelled across the country.

[french frank]

Fall back?

[Padraig]

Fall back?

Yes f f. That's my rule too.
But I have a technological wheeze which removes all possible doubt: for whatever time you set your car time/date, simply leave it there. Half the year you will be wrong by exactly an hour, the other half spot on. Simple. Forget spring forward.

[french frank]

But I have a technological wheeze which removes all possible doubt: for whatever time you set your car time/date, simply leave it there. Half the year you will be wrong by exactly an hour, the other half spot on. Simple. Forget spring forward.

Or ignore the beginnings and ends of days and do everything in the middle. Just put up with being an hour early or late for some things. Actually, I've already changed the oven clock and will change my bedroom clock in a minute. As I feel 'wore out' already I'll go to bed tonight according to GMT, 'bout 9pm BST. Or is it the other way round???

[Padraig]

Or ignore the beginnings and ends of days and do everything in the middle. Just put up with being an hour early or late for some things. Actually, I've already changed the oven clock and will change my bedroom clock in a minute. As I feel 'wore out' already I'll go to bed tonight according to GMT, 'bout 9pm BST. Or is it the other way round???

I think you're the right way up, f f.

[Old Grumpy]

British Sleep Society* viewpoint:

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20241026/British-Sleep-Society-advocates-abolition-of-the-twice-yearly-clock-changes.aspx

* I have no association or affiliation with this organisation - just sayin'!

[Retune]

British Sleep Society* viewpoint:

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20241026/British-Sleep-Society-advocates-abolition-of-the-twice-yearly-clock-changes.aspx

* I have no association or affiliation with this organisation - just sayin'!

Is there a sociey that advocates sticking with BST rather than GMT? Sunset at 4PM sucks. I don't care if it doesn't get light until 9AM.

[smittims]

Thanks,old grumpy: I didn't know there was a sleep society, but I agree entirely with their argument for a permanaent change to GMT. It's the natural time; lighter mornings are more healthy than lighter evenings.

I've had a few poor-sleep nights recently (I count being awake more than two hours in the middle of the night as a poor sleep night, where I get four or four-and-a-half hours only) and I hear that acquaintances of ours have worse problems with sleeplessness. It seems to be more common now than in earlier times and I'm sure that neighbourhood noise nusiance is a major factor, though looking at brightly-lit LED screens late at night may also contribute.

[pastoralguy]

I’ve just finished a night shift and there’s nothing more depressing than getting to 02.00 to see the clock reverting to 01.00 and having to go through that hour again!