Touched a nerve at THE Wigmore Hall

[MrGongGong]

I think Matt stole that one Alpen

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I think Matt stole that one Alpen

Oo! What's that flying over my head?

[teamsaint]

Oo! What's that flying over my head?

EA, best in this case to just respond with an ' uncertain smile'.........

[MrGongGong]

EA, best in this case to just respond with an ' uncertain smile'.........

'This is the day' when it clicks?

[Flosshilde]

That was the utter nonsense of it. 'Tate MODERN' was entirely sufficient. After all, if you want to achieve a brand moniker for something that is a progression of a long established entity, then all well and good, but by what absurdity it is felt necessary then to rebrand the starting point??!!!

Not in the least bit absurd. The Millbank one was no longer 'The' Tate Gallery (actually it hadn't been for a while, with first St. Ives & then Liverpool being set up) The bit showing post 1900 art & the bit showing British art needed to be distinguished; if the former was to be 'Tate Modern' then it makes sense for the latter to be 'Tate Britain' (or possibly Tate British).

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Not in the least bit absurd. The Millbank one was no longer 'The' Tate Gallery (actually it hadn't been for a while, with first St. Ives & then Liverpool being set up) The bit showing post 1900 art & the bit showing British art needed to be distinguished; if the former was to be 'Tate Modern' then it makes sense for the latter to be 'Tate Britain' (or possibly Tate British).

Liverpool and St. Ives are both part of Britain. It's just that Tate London Mk.1 and Tate St. Ives are relatively inaccessible. So maybe the Liverpool one should be rebranded as Tate Britain.

[Flosshilde]

It's called Tate Britain because it shows British art, exclusively, not because it is a British institution or is located in Britain. Before the opening of the Bankside building the Millbank building showed both British and post-1900 art.

[Peter2305]

THE Wigmore Hall

On another thread, I drew attention to this questionable post on the Wigmore Hall twitter feed



I also questioned on the site whether they thought tweets like this were good PR for The Wigmore Hall.

Today, I noticed that they've blocked me from following them or receiving their twits' "tweets"

I wonder if it was my determined use of the definite article when referring to the building, or the uncomfortable truth about the silliness!

It's doubly dented my regard for the place.

Glad I'm not the only one who is very annoyed by the persistent avoidance of using the definite article by various R3 presenters when referring to THE Wigmore Hall.

[Bryn]

Glad I'm not the only one who is very annoyed by the persistent avoidance of using the definite article by various R3 presenters when referring to THE Wigmore Hall.

But avoidance of the use of the definite article is the preferred mode of naming the venue by those who administer the place. Indeed, they have a history of raising objections to its deployment in relation to Wigmore Hall.

[french frank]

But avoidance of the use of the definite article is the preferred mode of naming the venue by those who administer the place. Indeed, they have a history of raising objections to its deployment in relation to Wigmore Hall.

And surely it is a very common usage when the second element of the name iindicates a type of edifice? Buckingham Palace, Windsor Castle, Hampton Court, Westminster Abbey, Caxton Hall, St Paul's Cathedral, Broadcasting House, Chenies Manor? It may be a peculiarity of London/the south-east (cf The Bridgewater Hall), but Wigmore Hall is in London.

[Bryn]

And surely it is a very common usage when the second element of the name iindicates a type of edifice? Buckingham Palace, Windsor Castle, Hampton Court, Westminster Abbey, Caxton Hall, St Paul's Cathedral, Broadcasting House, Chenies Manor? It may be a peculiarity of London/the south-east (cf The Bridgewater Hall), but Wigmore Hall is in London.

Though London has the RAH, the RFH, the QEH, and the Purcell Room.

[smittims]

I don't think we'll ever put this one to bed. Chicago and Birmingham have Symphony Hall, Liverpool has Philharmonic Hall, and John Lennon Airport, not 'the' John Lennon Airport, though Central Trains called it 'The Liverpool John Lennon Airport' for a while. But we had The Bechstein Hal, The Aeolian Hall, and The Royal Albert Hall.

[Bryn]

I don't think we'll ever put this one to bed. Chicago and Birmingham have Symphony Hall, Liverpool has Philharmonic Hall, and John Lennon Airport, not 'the' John Lennon Airport, though Central Trains called it 'The Liverpool John Lennon Airport' for a while. But we had The Bechstein Hal, The Aeolian Hall, and The Royal Albert Hall.

"Bechstein Hal". Is that an AI app designed to play a piano solo version of "Daisy"?

[french frank]

I don't think we'll ever put this one to bed. Chicago and Birmingham have Symphony Hall, Liverpool has Philharmonic Hall, and John Lennon Airport, not 'the' John Lennon Airport, though Central Trains called it 'The Liverpool John Lennon Airport' for a while. But we had The Bechstein Hall, The Aeolian Hall, and The Royal Albert Hall.

Though London has the RAH, the RFH, the QEH, and the Purcell Room.

Interesting grammatical point (possibly): If the first element of the title is a place name there's no definite article. Perhaps. Wigmore Hall is named after Wigmore Street which is named after Wigmore in Herefordshire. When they called it The Wigmore Hall, perhaps they thought it was named after Richard Wigmore?

[EnemyoftheStoat]

"Bechstein Hal". Is that an AI app designed to play a piano solo version of "Daisy"?

I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave, er Bryn.