Last word additions to closed thread by 'The Management'

[french frank]

the 'danger' of that

Absolutely - note the use of quotes round 'danger'. It would provide a different service and those who wanted something else would drift away to find it. I wouldn't fear that sort of 'danger' but that's because I have confidence in the range of interest that it would still provide :-)

[french frank]

the 'danger' of that

Absolutely - note the use of quotes round 'danger'. It would provide a different service and those who wanted something else would drift away to find it. I wouldn't fear that sort of 'danger' but that's because I have confidence in the range of interest that it would still provide :-)

[french frank]

BUT I can't actually remember whether that was due to messages on the BBC's own boards, rather than this one. I genuinely can't remember.

It was the BBC boards because they still existed.

I copied all the comments and sent them to Jenny Abramsky. To her credit, not only was the policy changed she even issued an apology to listeners, especially as the change coincided with the start of the Proms. I think I still have the letter somewhere - it should be framed as a rare example of the BBC apologising to listeners for getting something wrong.

But, if it had been after this forum had been started, I think the result would have been the same.

[french frank]

BUT I can't actually remember whether that was due to messages on the BBC's own boards, rather than this one. I genuinely can't remember.

It was the BBC boards because they still existed.

I copied all the comments and sent them to Jenny Abramsky. To her credit, not only was the policy changed she even issued an apology to listeners, especially as the change coincided with the start of the Proms. I think I still have the letter somewhere - it should be framed as a rare example of the BBC apologising to listeners for getting something wrong.

But, if it had been after this forum had been started, I think the result would have been the same.

[Hornspieler]

I suppose the titles of the boards might lead one to wonder whether it was about Radio 3 … but the proportion of 'off-topic' posts would give rise to doubt.

Personally, I'd prefer the forum to be smaller and about Radio 3 - but who am I?

An attitude that I have always agreed with, FF, but in moderation.

I go along with Platform 3, Talking about music and musicians (including Jazz and Pop if you will), drama and the spoken word (poetry, etc)and other items which may be aired on Radio 3,

but Sports, Politics, Stormy Weather, What birds are are you watching now? How does your garden grow?
simply take up a lot of this forum's available capacity.

Who cares what multo millionaires win the FA Cup? That may be art of a sort, but not as I recognise it.

HS

[Hornspieler]

I suppose the titles of the boards might lead one to wonder whether it was about Radio 3 … but the proportion of 'off-topic' posts would give rise to doubt.

Personally, I'd prefer the forum to be smaller and about Radio 3 - but who am I?

An attitude that I have always agreed with, FF, but in moderation.

I go along with Platform 3, Talking about music and musicians (including Jazz and Pop if you will), drama and the spoken word (poetry, etc)and other items which may be aired on Radio 3,

but Sports, Politics, Stormy Weather, What birds are are you watching now? How does your garden grow?
simply take up a lot of this forum's available capacity.

Who cares what multo millionaires win the FA Cup? That may be art of a sort, but not as I recognise it.

HS

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I am really sorry to read the sense of "battle fatigue" in frenchie's comments; I would hate to add my six'al'penceworth of discomfort to someone whose efforts and commitment I find astonishing.

The trouble (for me) is that huge swathes of R3 content has become so unbearable to listen to - which is why I cannot in all conscience describe myself as a "Friend of R3": why should I devote time, energy and friendship to something that (it has become obvious) largely holds my views and tastes in contempt?

In contrast, the Forum (along with other internet sites) provides the content missing from the schedules - bringing my attention to composers and Artists I'd never previously heard of, discussing recordings, books, exhibitions, poems that don't feature in what the Beeb thinks it should be offering. It has put me in closer contact with composers and professional scholars, performers and critics than could ever be possible on R3. It is doing for me in my fifties what R3 used to do for me in my teens and twenties.

I take "The Radio 3 Forum" to be a shorter version of the more unwieldy name "The Forum that's doing what Radio 3 used to do so well and ought to be doing still if the kids in suits hadn't messed it up so badly". And whilst it's sad that so many people think that Norman Lebrecht is worth reading, in a way his scorn (based, as so many of his opinings, on not having paid attention to what he's discussing) confirms that what we're doing is on the right track.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I am really sorry to read the sense of "battle fatigue" in frenchie's comments; I would hate to add my six'al'penceworth of discomfort to someone whose efforts and commitment I find astonishing.

The trouble (for me) is that huge swathes of R3 content has become so unbearable to listen to - which is why I cannot in all conscience describe myself as a "Friend of R3": why should I devote time, energy and friendship to something that (it has become obvious) largely holds my views and tastes in contempt?

In contrast, the Forum (along with other internet sites) provides the content missing from the schedules - bringing my attention to composers and Artists I'd never previously heard of, discussing recordings, books, exhibitions, poems that don't feature in what the Beeb thinks it should be offering. It has put me in closer contact with composers and professional scholars, performers and critics than could ever be possible on R3. It is doing for me in my fifties what R3 used to do for me in my teens and twenties.

I take "The Radio 3 Forum" to be a shorter version of the more unwieldy name "The Forum that's doing what Radio 3 used to do so well and ought to be doing still if the kids in suits hadn't messed it up so badly". And whilst it's sad that so many people think that Norman Lebrecht is worth reading, in a way his scorn (based, as so many of his opinings, on not having paid attention to what he's discussing) confirms that what we're doing is on the right track.

[MrGongGong]

Absolutely - note the use of quotes round 'danger'. It would provide a different service and those who wanted something else would drift away to find it. I wouldn't fear that sort of 'danger' but that's because I have confidence in the range of interest that it would still provide :-)

So why persist with it as it is?

(I know I've said this before too many times!)
It really is your gig

When the BBC board closed many of us were delighted that this one was set up and we were invited to come over
BUT if the 'fiends or R3' want their own discussion space then close this and keep it for 'members'.

There was much discussion yesterday at the Electroacoustic Music Studies Conference about how one talks about music, there are few places (outside the hardcore geek world) to talk about these things in relation to the more mainstream musical world.
It would be a shame to lose it.

[MrGongGong]

Absolutely - note the use of quotes round 'danger'. It would provide a different service and those who wanted something else would drift away to find it. I wouldn't fear that sort of 'danger' but that's because I have confidence in the range of interest that it would still provide :-)

So why persist with it as it is?

(I know I've said this before too many times!)
It really is your gig

When the BBC board closed many of us were delighted that this one was set up and we were invited to come over
BUT if the 'fiends or R3' want their own discussion space then close this and keep it for 'members'.

There was much discussion yesterday at the Electroacoustic Music Studies Conference about how one talks about music, there are few places (outside the hardcore geek world) to talk about these things in relation to the more mainstream musical world.
It would be a shame to lose it.

[teamsaint]

The points where people meet are the positive places where interests grow, development can happen, expertise and love of subjects can be offered and shared.

The meeting point might be a specific piece of music, but it might equally be a context for a piece or style of music, or a particular relationship that that another person has with some music , that might be connected to almost anything.


Relationships with music simply cannot be made to exclude other areas of life.

just a few random examples...

Here... I learn about RVW from a Stockport fan , and about Stockport from a RVW nut.

I learn about making Risotto from a composer who knows about a world of music I didn't know even existed, and about some rather obscure music from a bloke who knows a great Risotto recipe.

I learn about Early music from somebody who loves wildlife, and wildlife from a person who loves early music.

I learn about Classic Haitink recordings from a bloke who loves Horse racing, and about racing from a bloke who loves Classic Haitink recordings .


and so on , and so on, and so on.....

( can't remember what the point was now.)


Edit: Just call it " Not the Radio 3 forum".

[teamsaint]

The points where people meet are the positive places where interests grow, development can happen, expertise and love of subjects can be offered and shared.

The meeting point might be a specific piece of music, but it might equally be a context for a piece or style of music, or a particular relationship that that another person has with some music , that might be connected to almost anything.


Relationships with music simply cannot be made to exclude other areas of life.

just a few random examples...

Here... I learn about RVW from a Stockport fan , and about Stockport from a RVW nut.

I learn about making Risotto from a composer who knows about a world of music I didn't know even existed, and about some rather obscure music from a bloke who knows a great Risotto recipe.

I learn about Early music from somebody who loves wildlife, and wildlife from a person who loves early music.

I learn about Classic Haitink recordings from a bloke who loves Horse racing, and about racing from a bloke who loves Classic Haitink recordings .


and so on , and so on, and so on.....

( can't remember what the point was now.)


Edit: Just call it " Not the Radio 3 forum".

[Sir Velo]

It's very rarely possible to prove 'beneficial impacts' and what caused them. Assuming for the sake of argument the truth of the proposition that 'the way in which R3 is presented' hasn't got any better, it remains perfectly possible that this forum and/or FoR3 have stopped it getting vastly worse. That in my book would still count as a beneficial impact!

Well currently I think it's bl**dy awful so not sure how much worse it can get!

Frankly, much of the current crop of presenters are self publicists and manipulate the media for their own benefits (think Suzy Klein's and Clemency's recent media cozyings up) and, therefore, have become fair game. Then there's the musical ignoramus they wheel out for the weekend breakfast show, but don't get me started.

If you think all of that is evidence of FoR3's positive impact then what more can I say?

[Sir Velo]

It's very rarely possible to prove 'beneficial impacts' and what caused them. Assuming for the sake of argument the truth of the proposition that 'the way in which R3 is presented' hasn't got any better, it remains perfectly possible that this forum and/or FoR3 have stopped it getting vastly worse. That in my book would still count as a beneficial impact!

Well currently I think it's bl**dy awful so not sure how much worse it can get!

Frankly, much of the current crop of presenters are self publicists and manipulate the media for their own benefits (think Suzy Klein's and Clemency's recent media cozyings up) and, therefore, have become fair game. Then there's the musical ignoramus they wheel out for the weekend breakfast show, but don't get me started.

If you think all of that is evidence of FoR3's positive impact then what more can I say?

[MrGongGong]

Relationships with music simply cannot be made to exclude other areas of life.

A shame we can't exclude football though