Last word additions to closed thread by 'The Management'

[wenotsoira]

It's not that in principle I think there's anything against them playing instruments, but the key issue for me is how well they know the repertoire that they're introducing. Catherine Bott and Lucie Skeaping aren't included because they are (were ) focusing on their own specialism - as did Andrew Manze most of the time when he was presenting TEMS.

But my point was (and the pros can weigh in with their esteemed knowledge) that someone who has been a first violin, full-time, in a professional orchestra for 30 years doesn't necessarily have an extensive knowledge of the piano repertoire, or chamber music, or opera - or even the out of the way composers who never feature in concerts. Whether people have that wide, more general overview depends on the breadth of their musical interests rather than whether they play an instrument or not. The special knowledge - their personal experience of being an orchestral player - is not what they're called upon to demonstrate.

Isn't this why the pros are often a disappointment on Saturday Classics? They don't talk about their expertise: they talk about their favourite music. A guy that ran a local record shop used to say that professional musicians may know a lot about music but have terrible taste! Over to you, maestri …

You might be surprised to find many first violin orchestral players may have extremely good knowledge of chamber music, and often from a performing angle. These same orchestral players (strings, wind and brass) may well have extensive knowledge about opera singing, the piano repertoire, conducting, and a lot more, including composition. Just because they might make a living from orchestral playing does not mean that they might not be for example, accomplished pianists, arrangers, or composers. They may also have a vast knowledge of literature and visual art.

And guys that run local record shops are just that. Shopkeepers.

[teamsaint]

You might be surprised to find many first violin orchestral players may have extremely good knowledge of chamber music, and often from a performing angle. These same orchestral players (strings, wind and brass) may well have extensive knowledge about opera singing, the piano repertoire, conducting, and a lot more, including composition. Just because they might make a living from orchestral playing does not mean that they may also be for example, accomplished pianists, arrangers, composers, and they may also have a vast knowledge of literature and visual art.

And guys that run local record shops are just that. Shopkeepers.

Yeah,they should remember their place. Bloody peasants.
Always putting their prices up and moaning about business rates.

Unlike professional music performers, they can't do anything else except sell stuff.

[french frank]

Welcome back, ariosto. No, I'm not at all surprised. The point is that presenters should be chosen for their knowledge of the repertoire (if that's what they're presenting) not simply for their ability to play an instrument, professionally or as an amateur. I've underlined the bits in your reply which correspond to my comment that their experience doesn't necessarily mean they have such an extensive knowledge - it depends on the breadth of their experience and interest. There was a context to my comments: that I didn't feel it was necessary for a presenter to play an instrument. I have known shopkeepers with an extraordinary range of musical knowledge.

You might be surprised to find many first violin orchestral players may have extremely good knowledge of chamber music, and often from a performing angle. These same orchestral players (strings, wind and brass) may well have extensive knowledge about opera singing, the piano repertoire, conducting, and a lot more, including composition. Just because they might make a living from orchestral playing does not mean that they might not be for example, accomplished pianists, arrangers, or composers. They may also have a vast knowledge of literature and visual art.

And guys that run local record shops are just that. Shopkeepers.

[wenotsoira]

I was rather hoping my cover might have taken longer before it was blown. A few weeks at least. Thanks for the welcome back. But now I've been exposed i think maybe I should disappear again before a certain horn player gets wind of my re-appearance and sticks the knife in ...

[french frank]

I was rather hoping my cover might have taken longer before it was blown. A few weeks at least.

W-E-N-O-T-S-O-I-R-A? I took it to be your way of publicly announcing your return.

[Hornspieler]

I was rather hoping my cover might have taken longer before it was blown. A few weeks at least. Thanks for the welcome back. But now I've been exposed i think maybe I should disappear again before a certain horn player gets wind of my re-appearance and sticks the knife in ...

That's a very good idea, Peter.

"Sticking the knife in" is a very unfortunate statement, in view of the sad happenings in recent weeks.

And anyway, why are you getting at Tony? I'm sure that he's a very nice chap and very knowledgable on many aspects of musical performance.

HS

BTW There's nothing to stop you from putting my name on your barred list, if my posts on the forum upset you.

[french frank]

And anyway, why are you getting at Tony? I'm sure that he's a very nice chap and very knowledgable on many aspects of musical performance.

And - to make my previous point clear - very happy to hear him presenting on R3, but I bet he'd run a mile from the chance!

[Nick Armstrong]

W-E-N-O-T-S-O-I-R-A? I took it to be your way of publicly announcing your return.

I had to be helped...

(Never could be bothered with crosswords)

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

You might be surprised to find many first violin orchestral players may have extremely good knowledge of chamber music, and often from a performing angle. These same orchestral players (strings, wind and brass) may well have extensive knowledge about opera singing, the piano repertoire, conducting, and a lot more, including composition. Just because they might make a living from orchestral playing does not mean that they might not be for example, accomplished pianists, arrangers, or composers. They may also have a vast knowledge of literature and visual art.

And guys that run local record shops are just that. Shopkeepers.

You might be surprised to find many guys (and gals) that "run" local record shops may have extremely good knowledge of chamber music, and often from a performing angle. These same guys may well have extensive knowledge about opera singing, the piano repertoire, conducting, and a lot more, including composition. Just because they might make a living from running local record shops does not mean that they might not be for example, accomplished pianists, arrangers, or composers. They may also have a vast knowledge of literature and visual art.

And guys that play first violin in orchestras are just that. Fiddlers.

[MrGongGong]

And guys that play first violin in orchestras are just that. Fiddlers.

[ahinton]

There seem to have been a whole lot more than seven last words here...

[Nick Armstrong]

There seem to have been a whole lot more than seven last words here...

Yes - lastworditis seems to have reached epidemic proportions (said the latest victim )

[french frank]

Yes - lastworditis seems to have reached epidemic proportions (said the latest victim )

As for crosswords, anagram recognition &c, try typoglycemia.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I was rather hoping my cover might have taken longer before it was blown.

I got it by your 4th message. However, I thought it was a clever disguise - adding the extra word.

[french frank]

adding the extra word.

New?

ossat might have been more obscure. Or even illevaihcam …