Alphabet Associations - III

[Pulcinella]

Here we go after all (but no responses for a while).

This Person beat Bela, Zoltan, and Elliott by a factor of 8, had a terrible Lancashire child and a Yorkshire chorister amongst his pupils, and wrote a three-word-titled 'quartet' differing in only one word in its title from a collection of similar pieces written by an older compatriot.

Who is this person, what are the compositions, and who were those pupils, both of whom ended up north of the border?

[AuntDaisy]

Did P collect folk songs?

[french frank]

Here we go after all (but no responses for a while).

Very true

This Person beat Bela, Zoltan, and Elliott by a factor of 8, had a terrible Lancashire child and a Yorkshire chorister amongst his pupils, and wrote a three-word-titled 'quartet' differing in only one word in its title from a collection of similar pieces written by an older compatriot.

Who is this person, what are the compositions, and who were those pupils, both of whom ended up north of the border?

I can't see a way into this. Beat Bartók, Kodály and Carter(?) at what? Why is 'quartet' in quotes? An enfant terrible from Lancashire?

[Pulcinella]

Very true



I can't see a way into this. Beat Bartók, Kodály and Carter(?) at what? Why is 'quartet' in quotes? An enfant terrible from Lancashire?

Obviously more hints required.
Bartok, Kodaly, and Carter only wrote one; this guy wrote 8.
The Lancashire lad was certainly thought of as an enfant terrible; his birthplace would now be thought of as Greater Manchester, not least as he's part of that school. His co-student (didn't check if their timing overlapped) went on to be a university professor.
And quartet in the sense of four pieces, so not a composition such as a string quartet.

I thought that folk songs might be a distraction/first thought, but no.

Hope that helps.

[french frank]

Bartok, Kodaly, and Carter only wrote one; this guy wrote 8..

Since you referred to them as Bela, Zoltan and Elliott, does that mean we're looking for P's first name?

[Pulcinella]

Since yoiu referred to them as Bela, Zoltan and Elliott, does that mean we're looking for P's first name?

No; it's his surname that starts with P.
Forenames just a bit of obfuscation, as I thought that the pieces in question would be too easily identified: Bartok's..., Kodaly's..., Carter's....

[AuntDaisy]

Obviously more hints required.
Bartok, Kodaly, and Carter only wrote one; this guy wrote 8.
The Lancashire lad was certainly thought of as an enfant terrible; his birthplace would now be thought of as Greater Manchester, not least as he's part of that school. His co-student (didn't check if their timing overlapped) went on to be a university professor.
And quartet in the sense of four pieces, so not a composition such as a string quartet.

I thought that folk songs might be a distraction/first thought, but no.

Hope that helps.

I wandered down the folk song path...

How about a Concerto for Orchestra? Bartók, Kodály & Carter seem to have written (at least) one.

Goffredo Petrassi wrote 8, but seems to be the wrong nationality & I'm struggling beyond that... Although Peter Maxwell Davies was a student of his.

[Pulcinella]

I wandered down the folk song path...

How about a Concerto for Orchestra? Bartók, Kodály & Carter seem to have written (at least) one.

Goffredo Petrassi wrote 8, but seems to be the wrong nationality & I'm struggling beyond that... Although Peter Maxwell Davies was a student of his.

You're well on the way!
What makes you think Petrassi is the wrong nationality? Hope I've not worded the poser ambiguously.
Who else was a pupil who ended up where PMD did?
What did he write that has a similar title to a set of pieces by a compatriot (though that composer's set was not originally written as a set)?

Start thinking of a Q, but you need to supply a bit more to solve P first.

[AuntDaisy]

You're well on the way!
What makes you think Petrassi is the wrong nationality? Hope I've not worded the poser ambiguously.
Who else was a pupil who ended up where PMD did?
What did he write that has a similar title to a set of pieces by a compatriot (though that composer's set was not originally written as a set)?

Start thinking of a Q, but you need to supply a bit more to solve P first.

Would Kenneth Leighton fit the bill?

No, your poser didn't give a nationality, but my scurrilously Anglo-centric mind wrongly imposed one!

Just taking our terrier, Marco, out for a walk... I fully expect ff to have filled in all the gaps

[Pulcinella]

Would Kenneth Leighton fit the bill?

No, your poser didn't give a nationality, but my scurrilously Anglo-centric mind wrongly imposed one!

Just taking our terrier, Marco, out for a walk... I fully expect ff to have filled in all the gaps

Indeed KL fits the bill.

So just the 'quartets' to discover.

[LMcD]

Would Kenneth Leighton fit the bill?

No, your poser didn't give a nationality, but my scurrilously Anglo-centric mind wrongly imposed one!

Just taking our terrier, Marco, out for a walk... I fully expect ff to have filled in all the gaps

A couple of songs come to mind - ' There Are More Questions Than Answers'. and 'Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered'.
I only hope I understand the 'coleslaw' when it's eventually served, especially the mysterious 'factor of 8' ....

[french frank]

I fully expect ff to have filled in all the gaps

All under my radar at every point, I'm afraid. I flirted with Parry and winked at Piston, then dumped them both, wandering aimlessly beneath the vaulting in York, Beverley, Leeds ... Peter Maxwell Davis floated into view at one point ...

[Pulcinella]

A couple of songs come to mind - ' There Are More Questions Than Answers'. and 'Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered'.
I only hope I understand the 'coleslaw' when it's eventually served, especially the mysterious 'factor of 8' ....

Aunt Daisy has already explained the factor of 8!
His P is spot on target too; we just need the two similarly named quartets of pieces.

[LMcD]

Aunt Daisy has already explained the factor of 8!
His P is spot on target too; we just need the two similarly named quartets of pieces.

Thank you - I'm happy to take your word for it - it's just that it's all become a bit too subtle and sophisticated for a simple soul from Suffolk.
My radar set is no more help than ff's, which is kind of ironic seeing as I live just a couple of miles from where Watson-Watt did his bit to shorten WW2.

[french frank]

we just need the two similarly named quartets of pieces.

Verdi: Quattro pezzi sacri (Petrassi: Quattro inni Sacri) ??