Undiluted feeling celebrating being

[eighthobstruction]

.STET......I have no idea what this thread is about - it has morphed....

[Serial_Apologist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW8lPC16HDs

[Serial_Apologist]

I find myself so often these days when contemplating the plurality of product to pick on the off chance as if drifting in a boundless river of little depth that has ineluctably overflowed its banks. Fortunately some of the comment below the link is critical of the arcane generalities offered in the speech. Meribajsic4836 puts across very much what I was thinking.

[eighthobstruction]

....please do take an opportunity to listen to some Webern....

[Serial_Apologist]

....I am deleting this thread....it was codswallop

....sorry if I wasted anyones time....but please do take an opportunity to listen to some Webern

I'm easy, but I think you will need one of our Hosts to delete the entire thread, eighth. I agree about Webern, who gets little mention on this forum.

[Nick Armstrong]

....I am deleting this thread....it was codswallop

....sorry if I wasted anyones time....but please do take an opportunity to listen to some Webern

Do let me know if I can assist…

Codswallop clearance at low, low prices

[eighthobstruction]

....No Nick lets just leave it to rot and decay in the sight of everybody....it's a lesson for all that even high-flyers can fail in the most banal of ways {}....I was taken in by the enthusiasm of the speaker....he hit my creativity keyword soft spots....

[smittims]

Thanks for posting that video, S-A; I listened to the speech and found it thought-provoking.

I've marvelled at the change that has occurred to a composer's chances of public performance, and the speed with which it's happened. . Remarkably recently, to get his work listened to a composer had to persuade the money people to put out a huge amount of cash. Now , anyone with ta synthesiser and a web-site can 'publish' and perform his own music to the world.While this doesn't guarantee any quality it does mean that much more music can be heard which would otherwise be completely unknown.

As with other changes wrought by the digital age I can never decoide if it's a good thing . Maybe it's too early to tell.

[cloughie]

I do like ‘Im Sommerwind’ but that was youthful and tuneful but is that relevant when Autumn Leaves have already passed by my window and all we get is fierce storms with pretentious names with stupidly spelt names!

[Nick Armstrong]

....No Nick lets just leave it to rot and decay in the sight of everybody....it's a lesson for all that even high-flyers can fail in the most banal of ways {}....I was taken in by the enthusiasm of the speaker....he hit my creativity keyword soft spots....

I’ve put me shovel away

[oddoneout]

I do like ‘Im Sommerwind’ but that was youthful and tuneful but is that relevant when Autumn Leaves have already passed by my window and all we get is fierce storms with pretentious names with stupidly spelt names!

To our eyes perhaps but not necessarily in the country of origin? Ciaran(should have an accent mark as Irish not Scots but I don't know how to do that) we might find easier as Kieran - the anglicised version, but that's not how the person after whom it was named spells it.
There is a section in this article about the naming, and the countries which contribute suggestions

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67135325

[cloughie]

To our eyes perhaps but not necessarily in the country of origin? Ciaran(should have an accent mark as Irish not Scots but I don't know how to do that) we might find easier as Kieran - the anglicised version, but that's not how the person after whom it was named spells it.
There is a section in this article about the naming, and the countries which contribute suggestions
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67135325

I found it annoying that the BBC did not pronounce it Kieran but what do I know?

[french frank]

I found it annoying that the BBC did not pronounce it Kieran but what do I know?

Having an undiluted feeling celebrating the entire creative process of 'language', how did the BBC pronounce it?

[Mandryka]

it's an honor to be here my friend the poet Christian book
says that in terms of the hierarchy of cultural Prestige poets and composers
currently rank somewhere just below ventriloquists there is therefore a slight irony in
a composer appearing at a conference promoting responsible citizenship because
it isn't self-evident where the responsibility of an artist lies in some respects
devoting one's life to Art can be an abdication of responsibility because while the
value of the artarts is implicit and few would seriously question it it is rarely
explicit it can be very difficult to tell if an individual artist is wasting your time
or not one clue might be if they're off in a corner talking to themselves rather
than inviting you in but we'll get to that later the power of music is to transcend
space and time to speak to us in a symbolic language centered around fundamental
polarities such as tension and relaxation movement versus stasis stability versus
instability and the establishment and the disruption of patterns and patterns within
patterns both in terms of local detail and on an architectonic level all of these
Concepts transcend language they transcend meaning and they allow us to access a vast
field of undiluted feeling music is an art that is both abstract and embodied
abstract because it deals with intangible relationships between opposing or contrasting
forces embodied because the essence of music is found in Rhythm by way of the feat
and Melody by way of the breath as the poet Ezra pound put it when music Strays
too far from the dance it wilts so music provides us with abstracted meaningful
movement allowing us to experience vicariously modalities of movement and by extension
modalities of being that transcend the physical limitations of what we are able to do
here on Earth that is the essence of music and as such I believe the desire to
engage with this art stems fundamentally from a need for Transcendence regardless of
the type of music and whether or not this is done consciously you can call it
whatever you like but what other reason would there be to be an artist than to
celebrate being itself so what is the creative faculty it is the capacity to make
connections that others cannot see to make those unlikely unpredictable and unaccountable
leaps of logic and intuition that result in the limits of the human expressive
capability being extended modern Communications technology also holds the alluring
promise that all are at least potentially artists because there are no longer any
barriers to access anyone can produce anything they like post it to YouTube and
potentially find an audience a complete unknown leaping into the spotlight and very
quickly amassing a billion views on YouTube is no longer outside the realm of
possibility artists now have at their dis disposal tools so powerful that the musicians
painters and Poets of the past could scarcely have comprehended them but we are also
witnessing a profusion of cultural production so incredible in its Dimensions that it is
impossible to keep up with coming to terms with creativity today is made even more
difficult by the fact that our culture no longer seems to have a center or any kind of
shared story and today for Better or For Worse there are no more Gatekeepers some
have lamented this opening of the floodgates how are we to know if the work is any
good how are we to distinguish between the authentic Creator and the trickster how
can we navigate through this vast bedum of competing voices each laying claim to
the prize of originality and authenticity let me tell you a story about the
Austrian composer Anton Von vbrn Vin had a kind of fanatical Devotion to his art of a
kind and of an intensity that is extremely rare he worked with tweezers and a
microscope creating extraordinary miniature worlds of EXP Exquisite lyricism but equally
strange intensity he devoted his entire life to the production of these pieces Von was
born into one of the world's great Powers the austr Hungarian Empire in 1883 the
year Vagner died he inherited an artistic golden age but lived to experience its
catastrophic downfall he was born at exactly the right moment to witness both world wars as
well as the transformation of his once vast and powerful country into a tiny
devastated state in addition V's life was unspeakably tragic his ability to earn a living
already extremely tenuous was gradually reduced to almost nothing due to the Nazis
suppression of all forms of artistic modernism in tatun they called it degenerate art his
only son was killed on the front in 1945 only a few months later just after the end
of the war desperately tired depressed and Ill he was accidentally shot to death
by an American Soldier while residing in a small village in central Austria in
order to escape unstable conditions in Vienna through all of this somehow Vin
continued to compose despite the fact that performances of his music had become
increasingly rare despite chronic poverty that was dramatically exacerbated by the war
despite the mockery of his contemporaries and the absence of any form of Commercial
Success you might wonder if such tenacity in the face of disaster is not a form of
insanity but such is the strength of the artistic calling it compelled Vin to give us
this great gift of a singularly powerful and expressive music despite his
circumstances and perhaps the greatest irony of all is the fact that only a few years after
his death Von's music became a great apthous success story making him an artistic
celebrity a Shining Light to successive generations of musicians today he is one of
Austria's great cultural exports there is no shortage of Genius 20th century musicians
the names may be known to you Stravinsky Charles Ives light and Hopkins Morton
Feldman Ruth Crawford Seager jannis zanakis John colrain Carlin stocken and countless
others but the VIN case has continued to haunt me how could such a man who had lost
virtually everything it is possible to lose over the course of a truncated and difficult
life manage to produce such spectacularly beautiful work in the worst possible
circumstances well perhaps that is how you can recognize genuine creativity the authentic
artist will speak even when there is nothing that can be said no one to say it to and
nothing with which to say it the authentic Creator will say what they cannot prevent
themselves from saying because there are forces that are speaking through them virtually
no one in the developed world will have to contend with the sorts of conditions
that Afflicted Vin and so many other great artists in the past it is no
exaggeration to assert that there has never been a better time to be an artist in history
period and lovers of the Arts have never had such extraordinary conditions today the
totality of of Mankind's cultural production is available to everyone on the planet at
any time for free there are no longer any barriers to access or with the rise of
free educational content to understanding how is it then in the 21st century now
that many European nations have lavishly supported artists and artistic
institutions for over 70 years that so many artists today feel lost frustrated without a
purpose and most troubling of all unable to engage with an audience I have often been
struck by the fact that many composers today insist on trying to squeeze through the
tiny congested door of the academic world too timid to leave its reassuring glow
too many artists are standing off in a corner safe from controversy but also far
from the realm where the needle of our culture is being moved I suggest a better
story put your work out there into the world be courageous and see if it survives
you may find that if you truly have something of value to impart to others it
might not be trampled underfoot the point is this for all that I love his music I
don't want Von's life trajectory to be repeated no more tragedies no more isolation
what I desperately want is to pull things together to invite everyone in to share
things in a collective celebration Johan Sebastian Bach wrote hundreds of four-part
Corrals so that people could get up and join their voices together in a congregation
and I believe that the New Media may present us with an extraordinary opportunity
to accomplish something similar today day through different means and to artists
I would say the floor is yours astonish us connect us to the astounding air of
our present moment you have everything you could possibly need and more you have
resources that the artists of the past could never have dreamed of so perhaps that is
where the responsibility of artists lies today I believe in a future of a vastly
expanded passionately engaged audience and artists able to Marshall extraordin Ary
resources in the service of courageous and bold creative exploration perhaps the purpose
of creativity is to engender a dialogue between past present and future that
nourishes and irrigates our culture keeping it Supple vital and mobile so let us
resonate to this vast Collective interiority that is available to us through ART let's
have a song of praise for the future this is why artists make things it's why we
dare to have children and the key word is love thank

[Cockney Sparrow]

it's an honor to be here my friend the poet Christian book
says that .......... children and the key word is love thank

You've won the award for the longest unbroken paragraph - previously there have been a few contenders for that honour.

They are a bit of problem for me. I feel the deal is I have to spend time breaking up the text into the trail of thought - line or reasoning - what is being proposed (or however I should express it - I'm in hurry...). So I often scan it quickly and decide if I really want to spend that time, on that occasion.......

Once or twice, I've copied a post by cut and paste and put it into paragraphs, which I then find tolerable.... I suppose that's just me, although I remember being gratified to read a pronouncement by, IIRC, Lord Denning (Master of the Rolls?) commending appropriate length paragraphs, in court submissions and judgements.