...Should the West Arm Libya's Rebels?

[ahinton]

"A picture is worth a thousand words"

Then presumably ten words has an equivalent value of 1% of a picture and, if only two of those are necessary, that percentage is accordingly reduced to 0.2 (if your assertion on another thread is to be believed)...

[amateur51]

Besides, I made the only points I needed to on another thread, all based on knowledge rather than fantasy and most proved correct by what has happened.
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Self-praise is no recommendation

Innit?

[eighthobstruction]

I'll send them some bullets as long as they promise to stop firing them into the air....don't they know there is a recession....

[amateur51]

I'll send them some bullets as long as they promise to stop firing them into the air....don't they know there is a recession....

[Flosshilde]

I'll send them some bullets as long as they promise to stop firing them into the air....don't they know there is a recession....

Doing so isn't totally harm-free -

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/24/how-dangerous-is-celebratory-gunfire

(To save Mr Pee the trouble - )

[Mahlerei]

scotty

My understanding is that the gold reserves are stashed in Libya; those other assets - prime property, football clubs etc - sre outside its borders. Does anyone know for certain?. I'm working on the assumption that it would be one helluva risk to salt this stuff outside the country, where it can be confiscated (like the property and cash).

[scottycelt]

scotty

My understanding is that the gold reserves are stashed in Libya; those other assets - prime property, football clubs etc - sre outside its borders. Does anyone know for certain?. I'm working on the assumption that it would be one helluva risk to salt this stuff outside the country, where it can be confiscated (like the property and cash).

There was a report yesterday on TV ... not sure whether it was BBC or Sky News ... that claimed Libya held gold deposits worldwide including that $12bn in the UK, Mahlerei. I assumed (maybe wrongly) that these were at least part of its 'official' gold reserves.

There may well be a lot more secretly hidden away somewhere in Libya ...

[Simon]

I'm working on the assumption...

Yoe seem to have been working on a lot of assumptions, all apparently underpinned by some strange idea that G should have been left to massacre a whole city full of people at the start.

This unconscionable position is worsened, if possible, by the glee with which you seem to hope things will all go wrong for those western leaders who had the backbone and integrity to do the right thing and to prevent the tyrant committing unimaginable atrocities.

"As long as Cameron/Sarkozy/whoever gets egg on his face, it doesn't matter about the ordinary millions of Libyan people" is an attitude that I've come across a few times in various countries this summer. It's a shameful attitude that doesn't improve with repetition.

[french frank]

I'm tempted to post this.

But it's not my argument ...

[Mahlerei]

scotty

An interesting titbit in the Telegraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8723424/Libya-Col-Gaddafi-could-use-gold-stocks-to-sow-chaos-among-tribes.html

[scottycelt]

scotty

An interesting titbit in the Telegraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ng-tribes.html

Interesting indeed, Mahlerei, and we can be absolutely certain that Col Gaddafi himself knows exactly where the country's gold reserves are held ... possibly under his many 'mattresses'?

[teamsaint]

Yoe seem to have been working on a lot of assumptions, all apparently underpinned by some strange idea that G should have been left to massacre a whole city full of people at the start.

This unconscionable position is worsened, if possible, by the glee with which you seem to hope things will all go wrong for those western leaders who had the backbone and integrity to do the right thing and to prevent the tyrant committing unimaginable atrocities.

"As long as Cameron/Sarkozy/whoever gets egg on his face, it doesn't matter about the ordinary millions of Libyan people" is an attitude that I've come across a few times in various countries this summer. It's a shameful attitude that doesn't improve with repetition.

its really easy to sit on the sidelines and make judgements.
However, I do know that until we stop selling guns and arms all over the world, including to the Libya, these awful situations will never stop.
The arms indusry, and the western governments that do their will, and deeply complicit in the endless government oppression and war through out the world.
Its not an accident.

Heres a thought. Lets spend £1bn on something useful, rather than 14 helicopters. That would be a start. after that , we could look at whether the UK REALLY need updated nuclear capability, and at which dictators we are currently selling to.

[amateur51]

I'm tempted to post this.

But it's not my argument ...

[amateur51]

scotty

An interesting titbit in the Telegraph.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ng-tribes.html

That can't be true Mahlerei because Simon's already poured scorn on my noting the influence of the tribes so it can't be true and it won't happen

He knows y'know http://madmikesamerica.com/wp-conten...er-210x210.jpg

[Simon]

However, I do know that until we stop selling guns and arms all over the world, including to the Libya, these awful situations will never stop.

"We"? If "we" didn't, do you think the Chinese wouldn't? Doesn't make it right, of course - but makes it realistically comprehensible.

These situations will continue, with stones and clubs and fists if all the world's "modern" weapons magically disappeared tomorrow, as long as there are dictators about who value their own hold on power more than the welfare of their people and are prepared to commit mass murder to retain that power. How do you think the African tribes used to fight each other 10,000 years ago? "We" weren't shipping rockets to them then, I don't think.

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As for your alleged straw man crack, ff - do me a favour. Read some posts. Then try to understand them. Thanks.