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[vinteuil]

At the risk of lighting Jean's fuse, how about a neologism, dicatrixial?

... assuming you meant 'dictatrixial' - why not?

Third declension.


nominative dictātrīx dictātrīcēs
genitive dictātrīcis dictātrīcum
dative dictātrīcī dictātrīcibus
accusative dictātrīcem dictātrīcēs
ablative dictātrīce dictātrīcibus
vocative dictātrīx dictātrīcēs










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[Bryn]

Who's doing what to whom, Bryn?

Beats me.

[Bryn]

... assuming you meant 'dictatrixial' - why not?

Third declension.

Number Singular Plural
nominative dictātrīx dictātrīcēs
genitive dictātrīcis dictātrīcum
dative dictātrīcī dictātrīcibus
accusative dictātrīcem dictātrīcēs
ablative dictātrīce dictātrīcibus
vocative dictātrīx dictātrīcēs

I did indeed. That's the trouble with spell checkers when dealing with neologisms. I can find dictatrixial in no English dictionary so far, nor indeed via Internet searches.

[jean]

The accusative singular is wrong in vinteuil's post #16, but has subtly corrected istelf when quoted in #18.

I am not sure that retaining the x from the nominative when forming an adjective in -ialis is good practice, though. I'll have to think about it.

[Roehre]

... assuming you meant 'dictatrixial' - why not?

Third declension.


nominative dictātrīx dictātrīcēs
genitive dictātrīcis dictātrīcum
dative dictātrīcī dictātrīcibus
accusative dictātrīce dictātrīcēs
ablative dictātrīce dictātrīcibus
vocative dictātrīx dictātrīcēs

shouldn't that be dictātrīcis dictātricorum?

[french frank]

shouldn't that be dictātrīcis dictātricorum?

Third declension?

[jean]

Quite.

[Flosshilde]

I am not sure that retaining the x from the nominative when forming an adjective in -ialis is good practice, though. I'll have to think about it.

It's all Greek to me.

[Bryn]

It's all Greek to me.

Ah yes, the lingua franca of ancient Rome.

[Flosshilde]

[Bryn]

Typo now corrected.

[vinteuil]

The accusative singular is wrong in vinteuil's post #16, but has subtly corrected istelf when quoted in #18.

I am not sure that retaining the x from the nominative when forming an adjective in -ialis is good practice, though. I'll have to think about it.

... my apologies - the m was dropped off by accident when I was trying - without success - to tabulate in tidier columns. The quote in #18 retains the original reading.

I think dictatricial wd be better - but await an imprimatur - or at least a nihil obstat - from Jean...

[mangerton]

Is that the way (order) nouns are declined now? When I were a lad it was:

Nom
Voc
Acc
Gen
Dat
Abl

When did it change, and by whom was it changed? I ask purely out of interest, and for information.

[vinteuil]

When I were a lad it was:

Nom Voc Acc Gen Dat Abl
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... ego autem.

I dunno if wiki helps -

"The Latin cases have usually been given in the order NOM-VOC-ACC-GEN-DAT-ABL in Britain and many Commonwealth countries since the publication of Hall Kennedy's Latin Primer (1866). This order reflects the tendencies of different cases to share similar endings . For a discussion of other sequences taught elsewhere, see Instruction in Latin.
However, some didactic approaches or schools teach it in the order NOM-GEN-DAT-ACC-VOC-ABL or NOM-GEN-DAT-ACC-ABL-VOC, the order used before the Latin Primer by Benjamin Hall Kennedy. This order is used in The School and University Eton Latin Grammar (1861), with the ablative case always cited last, and a similar one is used in grammars of Ancient Greek (except without the ablative case, which does not occur in Greek), and has been retained by some modern didactic approaches to allow comparison of Latin and Greek"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_declension

[jean]

I think dictatricial wd be better - but await an imprimatur - or at least a nihil obstat - from Jean...

I think so too, by cautious analogy.

Latin x is phonetically related to Greek Ξ, ξ (though its form is derived from Greek X). It may represent -cs- or -ks- or even -gs-.

When the x occurs in the nominative form of a noun, words derived from that noun tend to use the form found in the stem - thus Lucifer from lux, regal from rex, and legal from lex.

But there are so few of these feminine forms in -trix (for a woman who does something) in Classical Latin that I can't be absolutely sure what the corresponding adjective would be.