St George's day

[ahinton]

Football an inspiration for composers?

Well, it must be true as the topic has been featured in the Guardian!

http://www.theguardian.com/music/tom...usic-world-cup

Er - and the author is...?...

You remind me of Richard Ingrams and his phrase "it must be true; I read in in The Daily Telegraph"...

That said - and Shostakovich and a certain other person whom Richard Barrett (pace the David Matthews 8th Symphony thread) might say "calls himself as a composer" notwithstanding - I've never felt inclined, or been asked, to write a piece for two 11-piece ensembles, I cannot conceive of an own goal being an example of cancrizans and, for me at least, the only commonality between soccer and music composition is pitch (but then roofs have that as well)...

[Beef Oven!]

Well, it must be true as the topic has been featured in the Guardian!

[Richard Barrett]

And, of course, one of the most popular current football chants sung by fans throughout the globe is a direct quote from Bruckner's Fifth Symphony, though some wretched American pop group which admitted to shamelessly plagiarising the catchy theme gets the official credit.

Now you've got me interested - which theme do you mean? (Or are you going to force me to watch a match in order to find out for myself?)

[Richard Barrett]

Well, it must be true as the topic has been featured in the Guardian!

Not if it's on the "classical" pages, unfortunately.

[ahinton]

Finally, what the thuggish, moronic American Football has to do with the 'beautiful game' I haven't the foggiest.

I know nothing of American football beyond Elliott Carter's likening of the first movement of his Symphonia to a soccer match, but what it even could have to do with chess I haven't the foggiest either.

[LeMartinPecheur]

....and Millbrook is almost in England!

Almost, but that substantial defensive moat still keeps it at at a reasonably safe distance!

[On reflection, what would an offensive moat look like?]

[P. G. Tipps]

Now you've got me interested - which theme do you mean? (Or are you going to force me to watch a match in order to find out for myself?)

Oh, I'd never dream of forcing anything on anyone, especially you, Richard!

Unlike you I'm certainly no musician but I could certainly hum all the Bruckner symphonies off by heart!

However, I'm informed (reliably or otherwise) by the following pdf file download link that it is the 'main allegro theme of the first movement'.

If you wish to download just click on ...

http://www.gyrix.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=163&d=1362691388

Hope this helps!

[P. G. Tipps]

... You remind me of Richard Ingrams ...

Wow, thanks ahinton!

[ahinton]

Wow, thanks ahinton!

That's Richard Ingrams late of Private Eye and The Oldie, of course - not Richard B measured in grams - and I meant, of course, that your reference reminded me of his, not that you personally remind me of him personally (I've only met him once, at an Oldie event years ago in which one item was a piano recital by Yonty Solomon in which Yonty somehow contrived to make a 1.8m Yamaha grand in the driest and most unsympathetic of acoustics sound like one of the finest Steinway Model Ds that I'd ever heard)...).

[Richard Barrett]

I'm informed (reliably or otherwise) by the following pdf file download link that it is the 'main allegro theme of the first movement'.

Thanks for that. Who would have guessed it?

[P. G. Tipps]

Thanks for that. Who would have guessed it?

No need for any thanks, Richard, just delighted to be of assistance by providing the info specifically requested ...

I first heard the supporters' chant some years ago when watching an otherwise uneventful German football match on TV, which might indicate (hardly surprisingly) that the theme was already comparatively better-known there even before Seven Nation Army rocketed it to international footy fame.

After all, the familiar strains of Elgar have oft been heard at English football matches, without any further boost from a helpful pop group.

[ahinton]

No need for any thanks, Richard, just delighted to be of assistance by providing the info specifically requested ...

I first heard the supporters' chant some years ago when watching an otherwise uneventful German football match on TV, which might indicate (hardly surprisingly) that the theme was already comparatively better-known there even before Seven Nation Army rocketed it to international footy fame.

Interesting as your helpfully provided information is insofar as it might go, it seems a long way from matters of St. George's Day and whether and/or where it should be considered for public holiday status.

After all, the familiar strains of Elgar have oft been heard at English football matches, without any further boost from a helpful pop group.

Unless I misunderstand or there has been a fundamental change of heart (and I don't think the former is the case and am quite sure that the latter isn't!), "strains" and Elgar probably associate themselves with a different connotation for RB, who has on occasion made little secret of his views on that composer. But that's nothing to do with St. George and the Public Holiday either...

[Flosshilde]

[On reflection, what would an offensive moat look like?]

Something like this?



Which is quite possibly what moats did look like, as the latrines, drains etc probably emptied into them.

[ahinton]

Something like this?



Which is quite possibly what moats did look like, as the latrines, drains etc probably emptied into them.

Are you sewer about that?

[P. G. Tipps]

Are you sewer about that?

And what exactly have moats, sewers, RB's views on Elgar, and excruciatingly flimsy attempts at paronomasia got to do with 'St George and the Public Holiday', ahinton ... ?