Still lots of work for the new DG to do....

[french frank]

Somebody needs to get a grip. The new DG perhaps.

Has to be the controller. But don't forget, this programme is again one of those provided for 'new listeners'.

The playlist is respectable, but a constant gripe I have is that programmes based on 'My Favourite Music' are to be avoided at all costs.

Some people, it's true, like programmes built round the presenter, what the presenter is going to say about him/herself, why he/she likes the particular piece of music chosen &c. For me, that's likely to be uninteresting.

I want someone who has special knowledge about the type of music being played, and who will concentrate on the music and its context without referring to him/herself.

Much as I have an unkeenness for Simon Heffer, I was bound to include in our survey report that listeners appreciated the fact that he focused on music, not only of which he was fond, but also about which he was knowledgeable. I don't think it was particularly 'inaccessible', so that seems to be a model to follow. Though a stream of semi-known people who may or may not have any relevant musical knowledge seems unpromising ...

I wonder what MrGG thought of it, since he introduced the subject?

[teamsaint]

Has to be the controller. But don't forget, this programme is again one of those provided for 'new listeners'.

The playlist is respectable, but a constant gripe I have is that programmes based on 'My Favourite Music' are to be avoided at all costs.

Some people, it's true, like programmes built round the presenter, what the presenter is going to say about him/herself, why he/she likes the particular piece of music chosen &c. For me, that's likely to be uninteresting.

I want someone who has special knowledge about the type of music being played, and who will concentrate on the music and its context without referring to him/herself.

Much as I have an unkeenness for Simon Heffer, I was bound to include in our survey report that listeners appreciated the fact that he focused on music, not only of which he was fond, but also about which he was knowledgeable. I don't think it was particularly 'inaccessible', so that seems to be a model to follow. Though a stream of semi-known people who may or may not have any relevant musical knowledge seems unpromising ...

I wonder what MrGG thought of it, since he introduced the subject?

I agree with your thoughts in general.

Do you have a view, ( and I'm not trying stir up a hornets nest on a well discussed subject, but probably will), about the programming of a robert king recording , straight after a childhood reminiscence ? seems to me to be extremely insensitive, at the very least. Thank goodness her favourite music age 5 wasn't gary glitter , or the programming would have had "dead air" !

[MrGongGong]

Do you have a view, ( and I'm not trying stir up a hornets nest on a well discussed subject, but probably will), about the programming of a robert king recording , straight after a childhood reminiscence ? seems to me to be extremely insensitive, at the very least. Thank goodness her favourite music age 5 wasn't gary glitter , or the programming would have had "dead air" !

It is interesting (??? maybe not the right word?) that Robert King recordings are acceptable to play on the radio but Mr Gadd's aren't.

(I didn't get to listen though I do think she has an interesting career and has the experience and knowledge that folks would like to be more in evidence)

[french frank]

It is interesting (??? maybe not the right word?) that Robert King recordings are acceptable to play on the radio but Mr Gadd's aren't.

Sounds like an insensitive juxtaposition, but I don't think these two case are (musically) parallels. There are plenty of old timers in the pop music industry who don't get played. ("Largely confined to the British, glam rock peaked during the mid-1970s, before it disappeared in the face of punk rock and new wave trends." - Wiki)

[teamsaint]

Gary Glitters music would get played from time to time on the BBC, but for his convictions.
Robert Kings does get played , despite his convictions.

It is a given now, that the BBC is prepared to play King's recordings, but not those of Glitter, Jonathan king and others.

But even so, its a really crass piece of programming, IMO. Plenty of other versions of the Rossini available.

[Flay]

Wiki says about Robert King:

...he was jailed for a sentence of three years and nine months and was placed on the sex offenders register. However,the judge declined to prohibit King from working with children in future citing the lack of evidence of any offence having been committed in the last decade and the fact that he had entered a new phase of his life, being married with children. On his release, after serving 22 months, King commented that he had "accepted my sentence, and have paid my debt to society."

But Jonathan King:

... remains on the Sex Offenders Register and is prohibited from working with anyone under the age of 18.

Perhaps that is why RK is now permitted to be heard on broadcasts?

[teamsaint]

Jonathan Rees Williams.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Rees-Williams

prestigious job, broadly similar offences and sentence to king , but rather different treatment since release.

Perhaps he didn't get married and make it all better that way.


Current DBS requirements mean that a teacher can lose their job for even living with somebody who has an ABH caution, ( This is a FACT in case anybody is interested) and yet......

Oh never mind. Have prince Charles on your side, and all is fine, I suppose.

[MrGongGong]

Oh never mind. Have prince Charles on your side, and all is fine, I suppose.

It seems to work well for the homeopathic fraudsters

[Barbirollians]

I suspect the chance of Robert King avoiding being banned from working with children would be much lower if he were tried today .

[Beef Oven!]

K

Gary Glitters music would get played from time to time on the BBC, but for his convictions.
Robert Kings does get played , despite his convictions.

It is a given now, that the BBC is prepared to play King's recordings, but not those of Glitter, Jonathan king and others.

But even so, its a really crass piece of programming, IMO. Plenty of other versions of the Rossini available.

R. King's done time and paid the price. He appears not be a risk anymore. I'm not a nonce-apologist, but people can be rehabilitated. I don't know the circumstances of Gadd, but he seems to crop-up in the press on these matters a lot. Who knows?

[teamsaint]

K

R. King's done time and paid the price. He appears not be a risk anymore. I'm not a nonce-apologist, but people can be rehabilitated. I don't know the circumstances of Gadd, but he seems to crop-up in the press on these matters a lot. Who knows?

My point is about some kind of fairness , equality , whatever, and it is a long way from being clear that this is happening.
Actually the law seems to have treated Robert King and Rees Williams reasonably similarly,( other than the clause about working with children) but wider society seems to be treating them very differently.
glitter was effectively banned from the BBC after having done his time, prior to his most recent conviction.

I don't have a particular issue with king, only about the very easy ride he has had compared to others. This most recent piece of programming is astonishing, IMO.

I am amazed at the lack of interest on here about the latest DBS (CRB) changes in schools, and possibly elsewhere.
People ought to be VERY concerned at what is going on, where peoples jobs are being put at risk, without there being the slightest risk to children, or anybody else.
Seperate issues perhaps.

And a long way off topic.

[french frank]

Actually the law seems to have treated Robert King and Rees Williams reasonably similarly, but wider society seems to be treating them very differently.

In what way?

[teamsaint]

In what way?

Well Robert King's musical career , ( job, performances,radio play)has resumed almost as if nothing had happened. Rees Williams,( who was Organist and master of choristers at St Georges Chapel) as far as one can see, is unable to take part in any musical activity without considerable difficulty, or at all.
The last references I can find are to a controversial organ recital in 2009.

Can anybody point to somebody in musical life, (in any field)convicted of similar offences to king, in recent times,who has anything like his rehabilitation? I Would be genuinely interested,because I am not aware of any, not that I have looked hard.

(Edit: actually I think the DBS issue is probably far more important !)

[french frank]

I supposed it makes a slight difference if you're self-employed. As we've seen with RK, that made it much easier to take up exactly where he left off, as long as people were prepared to work alongside him - which they were.

But one general difference: it was 'bad luck' for some that they weren't caught until they were elderly has-beens anyway.

[teamsaint]

agreed.

getting back towards the point, ( doesn't ANYBODY care about the DBS thing ?!), the BBC must have guidelines about whose recordings do and don't get played. At least one BBC spokesperson seems to have referred to the " Gary Glitter list",

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/gary-glitter-paid-bbc-royalties-3002519

which presumably includes lostprophets and Jonathan King. But not Robert King. This seems odd.