Philip Pickett sentenced to 11 years imprisonment

[Pulcinella]

It seems upper middle class music professionals with a public school background, too often, get a free pass when it comes to paedophilia; and other musicians & journalists, of a similar background, are quite happy to consort with them & support them. Stay alert, check out the background of those you are throwing your money at.

Vote with your wallets.

It's not all about the music (and there's plenty of great music from the untarnished... the devil does not have all the good music...) Interesting that the Observer in 2007 published an article by an establishment poet supporting our highbrow paedophile, but this year the Guardian had a "long read" in the Guardian that harshly criticised this article:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...d-sexual-abuse

By boycotting Retrospect, are you not thereby implying guilt by association on all players who have ever performed with King?
That seems more than a little harsh to me.

[Mal]

By boycotting Retrospect, are you not thereby implying guilt by association on all players who have ever performed with King?
That seems more than a little harsh to me.

No.

The Retrospect Ensemble *is* the King's Consort: "... they will be called the Retrospect Ensemble. But until now they have been known by the far more famous name King's Consort...". https://www.telegraph.co.uk/journali...n-consort.html

So only "guilt by very strong association".

[vinteuil]

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... sounds like collective punishment to me.


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[doversoul1]

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... sounds like collective punishment to me.


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In theory, the players have/had a choice to leave or stay.

[vinteuil]

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Once an offender has purged the sentence for his criminal conviction, is he nevertheless still to be regarded as tabu for the rest of his life? And is anyone who chooses to work with him subsequently also to be regarded as tabu?

This seems worse than harsh.




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[Mal]

... sounds like collective punishment to me.

So what? If they dance with the devil then they should expect some punishment - having to find another job because no one pays to hear a band led by King will be enough.

In theory, the players have/had a choice to leave or stay.

In theory? It's a free country, they can leave. I can't understand why they would stick by such a leader. If Gary Glitter directed a glowing tribute to his own life & music would you happily volunteer to be an extra in that film, and crow about what a good guy Gary is? Would you pay money to watch that film?

[Pulcinella]

So you would boycott a future recording by the NY Met under their new director because it would include orchestral players who played under Levine?
That makes no sense to me at all.

[doversoul1]

In theory? It's a free country, they can leave. I can't understand why they would stick by such a leader. If Gary Glitter directed a glowing tribute to his own life & music would you happily volunteer to be an extra in that film, and crow about what a good guy Gary is? Would you pay money to watch that film?

In practice, musicians, like anyone else, have to pay the bills. It’s a highly competitive sellers’ market.

[ed.] There was a thread on this subject. The host may think it more appropriate to merge this part or maybe leave out this matter all together.

[Mal]

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Once an offender has purged the sentence for his criminal conviction, is he nevertheless still to regarded as tabu for the rest of his life? And is anyone who chooses to work with him subsequently also to be regarded as tabu?

This seems worse than harsh.

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I know a nurse who was convicted of cannabis possession who can never work in medicine again. But she has a good life, working in catering last I heard.

Here we are talking about music associated with Christ's ascension to heaven. How can you listen to it knowing the conductor has been convicted of abusing innocent children? Given what I heard on BAL, I almost bought the CD; but knowing what I know now I just couldn't listen to it. I hope the players find a better leader, and I hope King finds a job where his base acts can't impact on the sensibility of a listener trying to appreciate music of the highest order. Bus conductor maybe? As long as it isn't a school bus...

[vinteuil]

Here we are talking about music associated with Christ's ascension to heaven. How can you listen to it knowing the conductor has been convicted of abusing innocent children? Given what I heard on BAL, I almost bought the CD; but knowing what I know now I just couldn't listen to it. ...

I hope Matthew Halls is not going to sue you for libel....

Robt: King wasn't involved in this recording!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004FVHO86

The conductor is Matthew Halls, with Carolyn Sampson, Iestyn Davies, James Gilchrist, Peter Harvey.

I don't understand why you wd have any 'issues' with any of these...


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[Pulcinella]

... but Robt: King wasn't involved in this recording!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004FVHO86

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Hence my concern/confusion over Mal's comments.

[Mal]

So you would boycott a future recording by the NY Met under their new director because it would include orchestral players who played under Levine?
That makes no sense to me at all.

According to Wikipedia, "Levine was formally terminated by the Met from all his positions and affiliations..." King was not terminated from his position with the King's Consort. He's now back conducting the King's Consort again. The players now know that King is a convicted paedophile, Levine's players didn't know about his transgressions until he was no longer conducting. If Levine is re-employed by the Met I will not buy any Met CDs, past or future, name change or not, for obvious reasons.

[Mal]

Here we are talking about music associated with Christ's ascension to heaven. How can you listen to it knowing the conductor has been convicted of abusing innocent children? Given what I heard on BAL, I almost bought the CD; but knowing what I know now I just couldn't listen to it. I hope the players find a better leader, and I hope King finds a job where his base acts can't impact on the sensibility of a listener trying to appreciate music of the highest order...

To add clarity: by "conductor" here I meant "conductor[or person] most associated with King's Consort[= Retrospect Ensemble]", i.e, Robert King, not the actual conductor of this performance, Matthew Halls.

[silvestrione]

So what? If they dance with the devil then they should expect some punishment - having to find another job because no one pays to hear a band led by King will be enough.



In theory? It's a free country, they can leave. I can't understand why they would stick by such a leader. If Gary Glitter directed a glowing tribute to his own life & music would you happily volunteer to be an extra in that film, and crow about what a good guy Gary is? Would you pay money to watch that film?

They perhaps stick by him because; a) it was historical when convicted, b) he had reformed himself by the look of it, moved on, and had a family, c) he had served his time and taken his punishment, d) they had more Christian forgiveness than you are willing to show

[Mal]

They perhaps stick by him because; a) it was historical when convicted, b) he had reformed himself by the look of it, moved on, and had a family, c) he had served his time and taken his punishment, d) they had more Christian forgiveness than you are willing to show

a) so if Fred murders your mother, ten years ago, you'd let him off today? b) Fred has stopped drinking and hasn't murdered anyone since, has a family, so let him off? c) the judge gives Fred five years, so do you employ him on release? d) Jesus says, “But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea” (Matthew 18:6, KJV).