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  • Richard Barrett
    Guest
    • Jan 2016
    • 6259

    Yes Rob, hope all works out well for you.

    As for the NHS and in particular the way it's being set up to fail as a prelude to wholesale privatisation, don't get me started. Of course with an aging population and with more sophisticated treatments for more conditions, it's going to cost more as time goes on. But isn't it worth it? Do we really want to end up with a system like the USA has? (Answer: no we don't in general, but if we did there are a few people who could expect to profit mightily from the result, quite a few of whom by some strange coincidence happen to be in the government.)

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    • Beef Oven!
      Ex-member
      • Sep 2013
      • 18147

      Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
      Yes Rob, hope all works out well for you.

      As for the NHS and in particular the way it's being set up to fail as a prelude to wholesale privatisation, don't get me started. Of course with an aging population and with more sophisticated treatments for more conditions, it's going to cost more as time goes on. But isn't it worth it? Do we really want to end up with a system like the USA has? (Answer: no we don't in general, but if we did there are a few people who could expect to profit mightily from the result, quite a few of whom by some strange coincidence happen to be in the government.)

      The scary thing about the US system (pay attention those who go on about funding levels) is that not only is it heavily private sector tuned, it has a much higher government spend, per capita. Licence to print money.

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      • Richard Barrett
        Guest
        • Jan 2016
        • 6259

        Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
        The scary thing about the US system (pay attention those who go on about funding levels) is that not only is it heavily private sector tuned, it has a much higher government spend, per capita. Licence to print money.
        Indeed.

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        • P. G. Tipps
          Full Member
          • Jun 2014
          • 2978

          No UK Government would ever dare 'set up the NHS to fail as a prelude to wholesale privatisation' when future votes are at stake. That is clearly nonsense. By popular consent a public NHS is probably the safest institution in UK society even before the Monarchy!

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          • ahinton
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 16123

            Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
            Indeed.
            I guess that it's not especially often that you and I and Beef Oven! find ourselves to be in agreement but this is certainly one instance of that and on a very important subject.

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            • Beef Oven!
              Ex-member
              • Sep 2013
              • 18147

              Lord give me strength

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              • teamsaint
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 25210

                Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                The scary thing about the US system (pay attention those who go on about funding levels) is that not only is it heavily private sector tuned, it has a much higher government spend, per capita. Licence to print money.
                And a scary thing about our system is that back in the day, we were always told how high administration costs were, ( when they were around 5% of income, )and yet it turns out that this was rather good level of cost by modern standards.

                I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                • EdgeleyRob
                  Guest
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 12180

                  Originally posted by eighthobstruction View Post
                  ....keep walking that dog if that's what the doc allows....and be careful to keep physical muscle condition....hard to get back if you loose it....
                  Thanks everyone (8o,Dave2002,Richard Barrett,doversoul,hope I haven't missed anyone))for your kind thoughts and good wishes,they are heartwarming .
                  I am managing to remain quite active,just short walks for the hounds,my son takes them out for occasional long hikes.
                  I tire very easily though.
                  Didn't mean to start a war,nothing but the highest praise for the NHS from me

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                  • mangerton
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 3346

                    Originally posted by jean
                    Not good news at all - just the govt. reassigning the responsibility for underfunding.

                    The whole Northern Powerhouse con is exactly that - a con.
                    It certainly is, and in more ways than one. The very name Northern Powerhouse is a con. If UK MPs talk about the north it seems not unreasonable to infer that they should be referring to the north of the UK, not the north of England.

                    But they're not.

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                    • ahinton
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 16123

                      Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                      Lord give me strength
                      He might - you never know...

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                      • Serial_Apologist
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 37707

                        Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                        He might - you never know...
                        Yes - wouldn't it be terrible if we managed to iron out our most important differences,using intelligence rather than prejudice, and reached some levels of agreement. What would be the point of living?

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                        • BBMmk2
                          Late Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 20908

                          I was hoping to retire in June but that's not going to happen! probably, I hope, another five years time!!
                          Don’t cry for me
                          I go where music was born

                          J S Bach 1685-1750

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                          • P. G. Tipps
                            Full Member
                            • Jun 2014
                            • 2978

                            Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                            Yes - wouldn't it be terrible if we managed to iron out our most important differences,using intelligence rather than prejudice, and reached some levels of agreement. What would be the point of living?
                            Now, that's a bit rich for/from a solidly uncompromising Marxist ... ?

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                            • ahinton
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 16123

                              Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
                              Now, that's a bit rich for/from a solidly uncompromising Marxist
                              Would you care to try to explain why you assert so?

                              And, while you're at it, could you also identify the difference between a solidly, a liquidly and a gaseously uncompromising Marxist and provide examples of particulars in which an uncompromising Marxist - solid, liquid or gaseous - might be seen to differ from a compromising one?

                              Thank you in advance for your eagerly anticipated enlightenment in these matters.

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                              • P. G. Tipps
                                Full Member
                                • Jun 2014
                                • 2978

                                Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                                ... a gaseously uncompromising Marxist ...


                                Ahinton, you are a veritable genius!

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