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Thank you DracoM for that post. So the farmers, themselves are totally responsible for the current disastrous situation we have at present. Now of course, the flooding is affecting by the Rivers Thames Severn and wasn't there another one?Don’t cry for me
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Anna
Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View PostSo the farmers, themselves are totally responsible for the current disastrous situation we have at present. Now of course, the flooding is affecting by the Rivers Thames Severn and wasn't there another one?
But the main course is the exceptional rainfall the UK has experienced/is going to experience still. (And I can't see what is gained by the current name-calling and blame game going on between the various Agencies and politicians)
Ontopic: A nice, mainly sunny day, dry.
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Richard Tarleton
Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View PostSo the farmers, themselves are totally responsible for the current disastrous situation we have at present. Now of course, the flooding is affecting by the Rivers Thames Severn and wasn't there another one?
Yet another relevant issue is planning, where houses are allowed to be built, and the building regs that are applied. The key for the future, given that we can expect more of this, is resilience. Adapt and survive. Easy to say, and tragic for those currently being affected.
Money is another. There will never be enough to protect everybody. Chris Smith explained the "Treasury Rules" under which the EA operates very well on "Today" this morning.Last edited by Guest; 10-02-14, 19:09.
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/09/leader-climate-change-weather-olympian-extremesEditorial: Extremes are to be expected … what should trouble the politicians is the apparent, and apparently inexorable, increase in the severity and frequency
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we are not, as far as i know, affected by flooding in the middle kingdom [Rutland] .... so one is less inclined to be angered by the decisions or delivery of the Environment Agency which appears to this observer to be a coldly rational allocation of decreasing resources to a growing and complex set of problems ... watching the Energy & Climate Change Cttee this morning questioning the remarkable Dr. Emily Shuckburgh of the Royal Meteorological Society & Cambridge University it was clear that Peter Lilley MP is sceptic on the evidence and critical ... he and his chums are in favour of a smaller state and a richer financial sector ... there is a very serious political impact coming from our present extremely inclement climate and it will not simply be of the Pickles name calling kind ...
i trust any members at risk from the flooding are as safe and secure as circumstances permit ...According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.
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Richard Tarleton
Wales forumites may like to look at "Week In Week Out" at 10.35 tonight - anyone with Sky can find BBC 1 Wales somewhere in the 960s. I talked about Shoreline Management Plans a few months ago on this thread (can't find the post) - local authorities coming up with plans for the coast over the next 100 years, with advance/hold/retreat/no action for every section of coast. These plans have been carefully worked through with the nation's leading experts, all stakeholders inc. NGOs have been closely involved, there has been a public consultation process, it's got to the stage where it needs to be signed off by the Welsh government. The Wales Environment Minister (or Natural Resources, I think he's called), says "managed retreat" is not Welsh govt. policy and that there is a difference of opinion between it and the local authorities.
Here you have it in a nutshell - carefully worked policies, backed by the science, for the next 100 years, against politicians unable to think further than the next election (5 years or less). This is why no proper decisions will ever be taken.
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Anna
Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View PostMoney is another. There will never be enough to protect everybody. Chris Smith explained the "Treasury Rules" under which the EA operates very well on "Today" this morning.
Here, our Leisure Centre is closing due to rising flood waters, it's likely the comprehensive next door may close tomorrow. I'm told that the primary access road to here is now blocked by floods, and they are pumping water from a sluice onto watermeadows, the park is underwater and is home to some happy ducks. Levels peaked at 5 metres but defended areas have no warnings at the moment, undefended are on alert (Luckily I live on a hill) However, we are pretty used to floods, so no-one panics about it except, I think it was 2003, when we had the BBC, Sky, etc., with their vans anticipating a major disaster - they caused an awful lot of nuisance and taking up the few dry parking areas and went away disappointed!
This morning the furthest Black Mountains/beginning of The Beacons had white tops, we are promised snow possibly here at lower levels. It was such a perfect day yesterday, not the slightest hint of dusk until 5.40pm and it's been perfectly bright, sunny and dry today. Unfortunately the torrential rain overnight, plus when it comes down from the hills, has caused today's problems
Edit: Oops, sorry Richard, crossposted with you, I had heard a trail for that programme. Will watch.Last edited by Guest; 11-02-14, 16:22.
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Originally posted by Anna View PostAs to the flooding in general, there are many reasons, building on flood plains, over-development generally, deforestation, straightening rivers and streams, bad land management, failure to maintain culverts and ditches, etc., etc., far too many to discuss on this thread leaving aside the vexed question of climate change!"The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink
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Originally posted by Petrushka View PostAs a climate change agnostic I feel it's a red herring in this particular case.
Yes it is. I find it meaningless waffle basically saying that they haven't got a clue.
Doesn't really inspire much confidence in your judgement IMV
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Originally posted by MrGongGong View PostBut as you said before
and suggested that because YOU don't understand something it's obvious "meaningless" ?
Doesn't really inspire much confidence in your judgement IMV
"The attribution of these changes to anthropogenic [caused by humans] global warming requires climate models of sufficient resolution to capture storms and their associated rainfall".
It took David-G several paragraphs to come anywhere near explaining what this meant. It seemed, and still seems, typical bureaucratic gobbledygook.
As far as climate change is concerned I am an agnostic: I simply don't know.
Confrontational messages don't help anyone's cause."The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink
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