Choral Evensong service halted by buskers mid-way at Bath Abbey

[Alison]

Lovely?

the bigger question IMV was if you'd eventually snap.

[MrGongGong]

That's YV: for others it would be WHAT decides it? Answer, as many of us have been repeating here, endlessly, and in Petrushka's words: the bleeding obvious.

For you, the issue is WHO decides, and that has been obvious too.

If the thread continues to DOMINATE the What's New? list, I may decide the Basement is a preferable place

You are right, of course
but I think the issue is BOTH , who and what

Should it just be that because someone says it's a disturbance ?
and/or Should it be a combination of this and measurement ?
and/or should the fact that someone has been there for a long time make a difference ?

I'd always be very wary of the "bleeding obvious"

[vinteuil]

"The golden rule concerns a perspective thought necessary to the exercise of even the most rudimentary morality: that of trying to put oneself in the place of those affected by one's actions, so as to counter the natural tendency to moral myopia. It enjoins listeners to treat others with the understanding and respect they themselves would wish to encounter, and above all not to inflict misfortunes on others that they would abhor to have inflicted upon themselves."

[mercia]

not wishing to prolong the 'discussion' (honestly) but if the solution were so obvious wouldn't Bath have achieved it some years ago ? I guess there's the solution and the implementation of the solution. The implementation has been impossible to achieve.

[MrGongGong]

http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/sonic-warfare

[french frank]

not wishing to prolong the 'discussion' (honestly) but if the solution were so obvious wouldn't Bath have achieved it some years ago ?

Perhaps mere 'complaints' weren't enough. Gongers, it isn't a 'someone' deciding, it's all the people, musicians, church officials, congregation, against two individuals.

However much you may point out that 'some people' reported that the sound in the Abbey was not intrusive, balancing evidence would be people saying: 'We like hearing the buskers' amplified music during our church service: it livens things up for us.'

[doversoul1]

The question IMV is more to do with WHO decides this ?

People in any society do many things that are not decided by anyone or any organisations. These things are known as social norms, conventions, or common sense and many other names. And learning these things is called growing up.

You are obviously dying to discuss these mundane matters at a higher academic level. I suggest you start a thread in Ideas & Theory before someone loses patience and this thread turns nasty. How about something like Acoustic Ecology and the Power of Religious Authority’ or ‘Origin of Common Sense in the 21st Century Bath’?

[Alison]

Unfortunately the obvious solution presupposes a little bit of goodwill and basic manners.

Ferney's mosque question was an interesting one.

Even so I am bowing out at this stage.

Have a good Sunday one and all!

[DracoM]

Interesting that we send ten times more postings about Bath and elsewhere buskers than about the excellent music regularly broadcast from Evensongs when broadcast live. Hmm.

[french frank]

Interesting that we send ten times more postings about Bath and elsewhere buskers than about the excellent music regularly broadcast from Evensongs when broadcast live. Hmm.

Because this is as much (MORE?) about the buskers than the Choral Evensong?

[amateur51]

That's YV: for others it would be WHAT decides it? Answer, as many of us have been repeating here, endlessly, and in Petrushka's words: the bleeding obvious.

For you, the issue is WHO decides, and that has been obvious too.

If the thread continues to DOMINATE the What's New? list, I may decide the Basement is a preferable place

Welcome aboard, french french

Better late than never.

[MrGongGong]

People in any society do many things that are not decided by anyone or any organisations. These things are known as social norms, conventions, or common sense and many other names. And learning these things is called growing up.

All we like sheeeeeeeeep

[jean]

However much you may point out that 'some people' reported that the sound in the Abbey was not intrusive...

More accurately, some people reported that some other people reported that the sound in the Abbey was not intrusive - in other words, no-one has actually gone on record themselves to say they were not intruded upon as they attended Evensong.

not wishing to prolong the 'discussion' (honestly) but if the solution were so obvious wouldn't Bath have achieved it some years ago ? I guess there's the solution and the implementation of the solution. The implementation has been impossible to achieve.

As we read it, it is only a small minority - some say just two buskers - who have refused to abide by what was negotiated between all the parties.

So as things stand at present the answer to Mr GG's question WHO decides this? is two people who won't accept the solution everyone else has agreed to.

Is it a good answer?

[french frank]

Welcome aboard, french french

Better late than never.

But, you will note, amsy, that this is not because it is about the Church but about the affect on the forum of a particular topic. No one has actually complained of it being here, but if it is people's wish that it be removed on the grounds that is a current affair (though perhaps it's not any more ) I will remove it to P&CA. I await instructions.

Your servant, sir,

[jean]

I'm rather disappointed that no-one has commented on Boris's championing of the buskers against Camden Council: