Choral Evensong service halted by buskers mid-way at Bath Abbey

[jean]

Not at all jean - a non sequitur if ever there was one! <yikes>

I was following very closely, I assure you!

If this particular problem is not the result of our society being based on self-interest and division, why did you mention it?

[vinteuil]

In that horrible politian's expression "We are where we are".

... I don't think I wd ever have described Politian as "horrible"; and I don't recognise that as one of his expressions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poliziano

[Serial_Apologist]

Or that "We are where we are" and our society IS based on "self-interest and division", and anyway 'There's no such thing as society' ??

Jean might understand this better than I. However, I would imagine that a society not based on self-interest and not guided by compulsion to self-justification would be inclined more to differ along lines of practicability.

[Serial_Apologist]

... I don't think I wd ever have described Politian as "horrible"; and I don't recognise that as one of his expressions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poliziano

[Serial_Apologist]

I was following very closely, I assure you!

If this particular problem is not the result of our society being based on self-interest and division, why did you mention it?

Ah! - no, I think the problems here are illustrative of self-interest and division. I don't presume that compromise is automatically excluded here - the buskers could for instance agree to forego using amplification while services are in progress; as I see it the initiating factors behind the dispute could have found any number of different guises in which to manifest self-interest and division.

[jean]

Jean might understand this better than I. However, I would imagine that a society not based on self-interest and not guided by compulsion to self-justification would be inclined more to differ along lines of practicability.

What I understand there is that you appear have restated what you called a non sequitur when I stated it!

Though I am having some difficulty with practicability.

[jean]

Ah! - no, I think the problems here are illustrative of self-interest and division. I don't presume that compromise is automatically excluded here - the buskers could for instance agree to forego using amplification while services are in progress; as I see it the initiating factors behind the dispute could have found any number of different guises in which to manifest self-interest and division.

I'd have thought the buskers agreeing to forego using amplification while services are in progress is a very obvious way of avoiding conflict, which they have refused to take.

So why is the church getting all the flak - on this thread, anyway?

[Serial_Apologist]

What I understand there is that you appear have restated what you called a non sequitur when I stated it!

Though I am having some difficulty with practicability.

I meant that the differences would more likely come about as a consequence of people disagreeing on how something was to be done, rather than why.

[Serial_Apologist]

I'd have thought the buskers agreeing to forego using amplification while services are in progress is a very obvious way of avoiding conflict, which they have refused to take.

So why is the church getting all the flak - on this thread, anyway?

Well, we don't have all the background, of course, but I was minded of its possible background when hearing the part of the priest's sermon in which he spoke of temptation to smash microphones; he wasn't exactly speaking of entering the temple and overturning the tables of the moneymakers!

[jean]

We have quite enough.

It seems like a perfectly natural reaction to me - It's exactly how I would feel if as a casual visitor I dropped in to hear evensong, and found that I couldn't.

[MrGongGong]

We have quite enough..

"We" ?

[jean]

I merely echo SA.

[french frank]

It seems York has a similar problem where it affects the Minster Choir School's lessons. But I expect some people think that's different.

And Pipedown deals with a not dissimilar problem.

[MrGongGong]

It seems York has a similar problem where it affects the Minster Choir School's lessons. But I expect some people think that's different.

And Pipedown deals with a not dissimilar problem.

I think they miss the point about ambient music entirely
There is always ambient sound, everywhere, making something that is in keeping with the environment is entirely different to playing other music in a space.

"We" still don't know exactly how loud this music IS inside Bath Abbey ?

Some people say you can hardly hear it
Some people say it's very loud
Is someone going to come and shut the RAF up next time I want to listen to Feldman ?

[Bryn]

I think they miss the point about ambient music entirely
There is always ambient sound, everywhere, making something that is in keeping with the environment is entirely different to playing other music in a space.

"We" still don't know exactly how loud this music IS inside Bath Abbey ?

Some people say you can hardly hear it
Some people say it's very loud
Is someone going to come and shut the RAF up next time I want to listen to Feldman ?

An indeterminately Cagey response.