.. A Royal Visit and Donation

[Tevot]

Never mind usurped - the legitimate Stuart king was deposed & that bloke from Holland installed in his place.

Would that bloke be Louis Van Gaal !?

[Richard Tarleton]

According to the write-up in the Guardian the series starts with James VI, so misses out rather a lot of them, including Mary, who would have provided a touch of glamour & intrigue

I did wonder!

Just revising my 1066 And All That - James 1 a tidy king, who had Sir Walter Raleigh executed for being left over from the previous reign

[BBMmk2]

I did wonder!

Just revising my 1066 And All That - James 1 a tidy king, who had Sir Walter Raleigh executed for being left over from the previous reign

Although I am related to the Stuarts, I see myself still part of The Plantagenet clan, as I am di9rectly descended from John of Gaunt.(I expect so0me of you may know already, after the RIII programmes!)

[Richard Tarleton]

John of Gaunt.

Q. 9 of Test Paper 3 in 1066 And All That:

Why do you picture John of Gaunt as a rather emaciated grandee?

[BBMmk2]

Q. 9 of Test Paper 3 in 1066 And All That:

Why do you picture John of Gaunt as a rather emaciated grandee?

I don't because he is the bed rock of Monarchy, as we know it today and my ancestor, of which I can say I am rather proud.

[Quarky]

This thread seems to have straightened up, after Calum's initial satirical slant.

However satirists, artists and musicians may be interested, is not acquainted already, with Copyright exceptions for parody and extensive quotation currently going through parliament, and which should be law soon: (courtesy of IPKat):



Following approval in the House of Commons earlier this month, yesterday at around 6:15 pm the House of Lords also approved the draft SIs [you can read an early statement from the Open Rights Group here].

This means that, following the bunch of other exceptions [research, education, libraries and archives; disability; and public administration] that entered into force on 1 June last, also these new exceptions are now scheduled for entry into force. This will be on 1 October 2014.

The official report from yesterday's discussion in the House of Lords makes an engaging reading. New IP Minister Baroness Neville-Rolfe said pretty interesting things not only about these exceptions, but more in general about the role of copyright and how UK Government intends it.



She started by saying that "[c]opyright legislation needs to be strong and respected to keep up with the pace of innovation and the digital revolution." To this end, "[t]he Government are committed to raising awareness and understanding of IP across all businesses large and small in order to protect innovation and originality and meet changing consumer needs."

Among the initiatives promoted by UK Government, she mentioned extending copyright protection for sound recordings and performances [by the way: did you know that apparently France, Poland and Romania have yet to transpose Directive 2011/77/EU into their national laws?], setting up the Police Intellectual Property Crime Unit [see the "This website has been reported to the police" initiative described by Jeremy here], supporting the industry-led Copyright Hub and educational campaign Creative Content UK [also mentioned in the Australian Government Discussion Paper on Online Copyright Infringement, which has just been released].

Personal copies for private use do not come with a levy

With regard to this exception, the IP Minister started by saying that "[c]opyright law should not stand in the way of people being able to use and enjoy their own property."

However, compared to private copying in other EU Member States, the forthcoming UK exception for "personal copies for private use" will be narrower.


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In particular "it will not allow someone to give or sell a copy they have made to someone else, or share copies from their personal cloud; it will not allow someone to obtain a copy from sources they do not own, such as rented copies, broadcasts or on-demand services; it will not prevent copyright owners from using technology to guard against copyright piracy, such as the copy protection for films found on DVDs and Blu-ray discs; and it will not prevent copyright owners from licensing additional services, such as cloud services which allow shared access to content."



Parody caricature and pastiche will have to be fair dealing

As regards the parody/caricature/pastiche exception, the Minister observed that "we need to protect the right to mock the high and mighty". Above all, "[c]opyright should incentivise creation, not obstruct it. It should allow people to voice their opinions, not stifle them."

Fair (dealing) enough, but you better not think that this does give you carte blanche to do whatever crosses your mind.

This is because UK Government deemed appropriate to frame the parody/caricature/pastiche exception within fair dealing. So, "fair dealing will mean that copying a whole work without changing it will not be allowed. For example, it would not be considered “fair” to use an entire musical track on a spoof video. This will mean the market for the original work should be unaffected."

This Kat has already criticised the move of framing parody within fair dealing, on fear that in practice UK exception might end up being a pretty narrow defence, especially when it comes to artistic works.

As regards music tracks, Merpel wonders how this could affect the market for this ... Yet, "At present, when a whole work, such as a musical track, is used in a parody the copyright owner will often allow this in exchange for appropriate remuneration. The fair dealing exception means that such licensing will still be possible."

This new exception leaves unaffected "tough laws on libel".


Random quotes will be OK
Quotation beyond criticism or review

Finally, with regard to quotation, broadening its scope was deemed necessary because "UK copyright legislation currently allows quotations and extracts only for the purpose of “criticism or review”. So a whole range of activities which the average person is likely to consider reasonable risk infringing copyright because they fall outside the current “criticism and review” exception. An academic paper or student essay which quotes a title of a journal, book or film, or uses a short extract to ensure proper citation, although likely to be considered fair by a court, is likely to fall outside the current “criticism and review” exemption. Small theatres and record companies have complained that they are often prevented from using quotes from newspaper reviews in their own promotional material."

The changes "will remove this limitation and permit all types of fair quotation, as long as there is acknowledgement of the source of the quotation. There should be no obstacle to fair and honest quotation. British citizens should have no less a right to it than those of other democratic nations."

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

Quite

[amateur51]

I don't because he is the bed rock of Monarchy, as we know it today and my ancestor, of which I can say I am rather proud.

Parsons: Paul you challenged?
Paul: Yes repetition

Parsons: Yes repetition many many many many many many times

[Richard Tarleton]

I don't because he is the bed rock of Monarchy, as we know it today and my ancestor, of which I can say I am rather proud.

It's just a gentle play on the name, BBM, in a book which consists almost entirely of plays on schoolboy (and I daresay schoolgirl) errors and howlers

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

hmmm none of our ancestors washed very much .... one of them was likely Genghis Khan?

for every generation back one goes, the number of ancestors doubles; six generations back i have 64 ancestors; which one shall i choose today?

[BBMmk2]

esides that side of my father's, another line can be traced back right to 819AD!

[BBMmk2]

It's just a gentle play on the name, BBM, in a book which consists almost entirely of plays on schoolboy (and I daresay schoolgirl) errors and howlers

Silly me, apologises RFG!

One other line, is that we can trace all the way back to 819AD!

[Anna]

One other line, is that we can trace all the way back to 819AD!

Not wishing to divert this thread but, being nosy, was that another member of a Noble family BBM? (The Vikings were exceedingly busy then pillaging and conquering and marrying local maidens) How did you manage to get back so far with your research?

[Richard Tarleton]

what music should one play loudly through one's open windows as the gentlepersons progress?

The author of the words to Lillibulero famously claimed to have sung the king out of three kingdoms....perhaps new words....

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

yeh but subject to a bit of hegemonic assimilation innit