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  • hmvman
    Full Member
    • Mar 2007
    • 1121

    Oh no!

    This doesn't bode well for those of us hoping for an improvement in broadcasting quality…



  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30456

    #2
    Originally posted by hmvman View Post
    Well, television is television and it's mainly for the masses anyway, isn't it?

    The BBC loves the idea of 'comedy' and I'm sure 'humour' will go down well on BBCs One and Two. Coincidentally, I looked up for another messageboarder this morning a reference in a letter I was sent by one of the nation's distinguished writers who contacted me in 2012, and mentioned a new Radio 3 presenter whom he had not previously noticed, describing 'them' as 'a facetious populariser of content and presentation'. Woe betide those who have no gift for humour who attempt to introduce it to entertain: they are regarded not as funny but as facetious, in the sense: "Characterized by or given to pleasantry or joking, now esp. when inappropriate or flippant".
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • Serial_Apologist
      Full Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 37814

      #3
      Originally posted by hmvman View Post
      It's the market dot com, not the music, etc etc...

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      • Angle
        Full Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 724

        #4
        The most telling paragraph is, for me:

        "Wendy Darke announced that the unit will seek “diverse”, populist presenters on the same wavelength as the audience."

        It's a process that is well-developed across radio services already; nowhere more so than on Radio 3. imho

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        • hmvman
          Full Member
          • Mar 2007
          • 1121

          #5
          Originally posted by Angle View Post
          "Wendy Darke announced that the unit will seek “diverse”, populist presenters on the same wavelength as the audience."

          It's a process that is well-developed across radio services already; nowhere more so than on Radio 3. imho
          Diverse and populist, yes. But are they on the same wavelength as the audience?

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          • french frank
            Administrator/Moderator
            • Feb 2007
            • 30456

            #6
            Wildlife News has the headline: "End of an era as BBC plan to dumb down wildlife documentaries."
            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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            • Richard Tarleton

              #7
              As a nature person I'm not too worried about all this.

              David Attenborough evolved, over 50-60 years, there were no shoes for him to fill, and the possible parameters of wildlife broadcasting were imperfectly understood by others before and until he developed them. He was and is sui generis, developing the medium (with the superb Bristol team) as the decades progressed.

              We've seen a great increase in diversification in wildlife broadcasting in recent years (alongside DA's magisterial series). If any one person was going to "fill his shoes" I think it would be clear by now who they were, because they too would have been evolving for many years. What is abundantly clear is that there is no one person, nor is there likely to be, so looking at a range of presenters and styles seems to me to be a reasonable approach. The technology has advanced alongside the programme styles, and more specialized, targeted programming (which seems to have been happening in recent years) seems like one way to go. The day of the over-arching series pursuing themes across the globe is surely over - it's been done!

              As it is, we have seen a range of considerable experts in their fields given programmes or series (I'm thinking of people like George McGavin on insects, Charlotte Uhlenberg on apes) - and such entertaining series as those "bioblitzes" to such places as Burma and Bhutan and Ms Humble's recent efforts since she gave up being the dumb one alongside the cleverer males on Springwatch.

              I hate the infantilising of Springwatch, with the hyperactive presenters locked in parent-to-child or child-to-child mode, items designed for gnat like attention spans, and (to take one particularly irritating example) talk of "poo" when they mean droppings, scats, spraints, defecation, faeces etc. . If the intention is to similarly infantilise wildlife broadcasting across the board then I would be worried, but I think the present degree of diversity is pretty healthy. Just let there not be anthropomorphism.

              There have always been presenter-led wildlife broadcasting, and presenters whom some people loved and others did not - think of Armand and Micaela Denis, Hans and Lotte Haas, Jacques Cousteau....the way DA is universally admired only underlines just how unique he is, and has been.

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              • hmvman
                Full Member
                • Mar 2007
                • 1121

                #8
                It would be great to have Animal Magic back again but who would fill Johnny Morris' shoes?

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                • MrGongGong
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 18357

                  #9
                  Originally posted by hmvman View Post
                  It would be great to have Animal Magic back again but who would fill Johnny Morris' shoes?

                  More importantly (and a source of much discussion in our house) anyone know what the orchestration of the theme tune is ?

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                  • Richard Tarleton

                    #10
                    Originally posted by hmvman View Post
                    It would be great to have Animal Magic back again but who would fill Johnny Morris' shoes?

                    I think that's exactly what we don't want - pure undiluted anthropomorphism - but it did cause me to write to Bristol Zoo aged about 10 to ask how you became a zoo keeper . I met JM in later years in Broadcasting House, having breakfast in the canteen.

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                    • hmvman
                      Full Member
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 1121

                      #11
                      Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                      More importantly (and a source of much discussion in our house) anyone know what the orchestration of the theme tune is ?
                      I know that it was called 'Las Vegas' and was from a library music disc but I can't remember the composer or which company issued the record. I was always fascinated by the sound of it. Lots of plucked strings perhaps?

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                      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                        Gone fishin'
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 30163

                        #12
                        This is Las Vegas, composed by Laurie Johnson, performed by Group Forty Orchestra, and it is the well known theme to Animal Magic.This is a very popular pie...


                        Las Vegas, indeed, hmv - and by Laurie Johnson. Mainly strings and Latino (including Harp) percussion but with winds and some brass in the Intro and middle section (which we never heard on Animal Magic).

                        Anthropomorphical as it was, it was a children's programme and successfully aroused the interest of kids. This "new" style presentation is meant to be for adults - which merely shows the loathing and contempt with which the Beeb holds its funders.
                        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                        • amateur51

                          #13
                          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwxsaTaVhC4

                          Las Vegas, indeed, hmv - and by Laurie Johnson. Mainly strings and Latino (including Harp) percussion but with winds and some brass in the Intro and middle section (which we never heard on Animal Magic).

                          Anthropomorphical as it was, it was a children's programme and successfully aroused the interest of kids. This "new" style presentation is meant to be for adults - which merely shows the loathing and contempt with which the Beeb holds its funders.
                          It's had a lasting effect on me sadly - whenever I'm at London Zoo or indeed almost whenever I see a non-human critter I immediately lapse into Johnny Morris-mode. Friends find it funny ... at first

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                          • Pabmusic
                            Full Member
                            • May 2011
                            • 5537

                            #14
                            Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                            It's had a lasting effect on me sadly - whenever I'm at London Zoo or indeed almost whenever I see a non-human critter I immediately lapse into Johnny Morris-mode. Friends find it funny ... at first

                            There are no doubt people who are (marginally) younger than us who might have said "Rolf Harris mode" until recently. What did Johnny Morris get up to????

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                            • amateur51

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Pabmusic View Post
                              There are no doubt people who are (marginally) younger than us who might have said "Rolf Harris mode" until recently. What did Johnny Morris get up to????
                              Johnny liked to give voice to his animal friends' thoughts

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