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  • Honoured Guest

    #16
    Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
    The harshness of your judgement, and the ease with which you express it, suggests to me that you have never held a position in which your actions and decisions will be held up to public scrutiny.

    For which, much thanks.
    "My judgement" is in line with most media reporting at the time that Entwistle imploded and then negotiated his irregular pay-off and resignation with Lord Patten.

    I'd be interested to read anyone else's view of the Entwistle disaster and Patten's part in it.

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    • amateur51

      #17
      Originally posted by Honoured Guest View Post
      "My judgement" is in line with most media reporting at the time that Entwistle imploded and then negotiated his irregular pay-off and resignation with Lord Patten.

      I'd be interested to read anyone else's view of the Entwistle disaster and Patten's part in it.
      Hide behind the judgement of Quentin Letts if you must. I've not read anyone else's judgement on Patten's performancer since it has been revealed that he has a life-threatening illness - your contribution and judgment is unique in so many ways.

      How was Patten to know that George Entwhistle would implode, as you imply?

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      • Honoured Guest

        #18
        Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
        How was Patten to know that George Entwhistle would implode, as you imply?
        My reasoning is in #14.

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        • amateur51

          #19
          Originally posted by Honoured Guest View Post
          My reasoning is in #14.
          Ah speculation and opinion, not the facts that I thought you were offering

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          • Honoured Guest

            #20
            Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
            Ah speculation and opinion, not the facts that I thought you were offering
            Entwistle stated this in public interview. It seems reasonable to assume that he would have stated how he intended to act as D-G during the selection process for the post.

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            • amateur51

              #21
              Originally posted by Honoured Guest View Post
              Entwistle stated this in public interview. It seems reasonable to assume that he would have stated how he intended to act as D-G during the selection process for the post.
              What you're describing, and vilifying, is an approach which says "Tell me what's going on - you're in charge of this but I want to know. And if I think I need to, I will intervene. Otherwise, I 'll let you get on with it". Is that so unreasonable?

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              • Honoured Guest

                #22
                I quite agree that the approach you outline is reasonable, and on paper I might marginally prefer it to Tony Hall's personal influence on his senior managers' decisions, such as his pushing of the new BBC arts strategy.

                But Entwistle, by his own admission, was more remote than the approach you outline. He apparently didn't want to know, and so senior managers were tentatively telling him things when they encountered him at events, because he had arranged no formal way of communicating such things. And he was deliberately ignoring what they told him, because he considered that it would be wrong for the D-G to interfere. Ironically, he was preoccupied with working hard on devising policies and processes for how the BBC would deal with such matters!!

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                • amateur51

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Honoured Guest View Post
                  I quite agree that the approach you outline is reasonable, and on paper I might marginally prefer it to Tony Hall's personal influence on his senior managers' decisions, such as his pushing of the new BBC arts strategy.

                  But Entwistle, by his own admission, was more remote than the approach you outline. He apparently didn't want to know, and so senior managers were tentatively telling him things when they encountered him at events, because he had arranged no formal way of communicating such things. And he was deliberately ignoring what they told him, because he considered that it would be wrong for the D-G to interfere. Ironically, he was preoccupied with working hard on devising policies and processes for how the BBC would deal with such matters!!
                  The best laid plans, etc.

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                  • french frank
                    Administrator/Moderator
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 29932

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Honoured Guest View Post
                    His interview would have revealed his manner of tackling the D-G role to the appointment panel (unless he were utterly duplicitous at interview, or the panel were utterly incompetent) and so the Chair of the BBC Trust was culpable in the Entwistle fiasco.
                    From the minutes of the BBC Trust meeting, 4 July 2012.

                    “100 DIRECTOR-GENERAL APPOINTMENT

                    100.1 The Chairman welcomed all Trust members to the meeting, noting that David Liddiment was unable to join the meeting due to a personal appointment that had delayed his arrival.

                    100.2 The Chairman reported the considerations of the interview panel for the post of Director-General which had met the previous day and interviewed candidates for the role. The interview panel had consisted of the Chairman; the Vice Chairman; the chairs of the Audience and Performance Committee (David Liddiment), the Finance Committee (Anthony Fry), and the Editorial Standards Committee (Alison Hastings); and the Trust member for Wales (Elan Closs Stephens).

                    100.3 The Chairman noted the considerable strengths of all the candidates interviewed for the role, which had been discussed in depth by the interview panel and by other Trust members.

                    100.4 The unanimous recommendation of the interview panel was that George Entwistle should be offered the role of Director-General"

                    In those circumstances, was it culpable to accept this unanimous recommendation? Was it Lord Patten's responsibility to veto it?
                    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                    • aka Calum Da Jazbo
                      Late member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 9173

                      #25
                      one must suppose that no one could see the Saville storm coming and that Entwistle would be so inept at handling it .....
                      According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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                      • Serial_Apologist
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 37367

                        #26
                        The protocols of company board loyalty:

                        See no evil
                        Hear no evil
                        Speak no weevil

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                        • teamsaint
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 25177

                          #27
                          The top management must have known that Saville and the others would surface sooner or later.
                          All the very strong rumours had been in the public domain for a good while.

                          As for the new "arts strategy", so far it just looks like a sop to the broadsheets. No money of any substance, and no obvious commitment to new programming.
                          I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                          I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                          • Serial_Apologist
                            Full Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 37367

                            #28
                            Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                            The top management must have known that Saville and the others would surface sooner or later.
                            All the very strong rumours had been in the public domain for a good while.

                            As for the new "arts strategy", so far it just looks like a sop to the broadsheets. No money of any substance, and no obvious commitment to new programming.
                            My assessment too.

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                            • aeolium
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 3992

                              #29
                              Not sure where to post this, but this is the latest of Charlotte Higgins' articles on the state of the BBC, here looking back at previous D-Gs:

                              Charlotte Higgins: The BBC has had 16 directors general, and each has imprinted his personality, but politics still cast a long shadow


                              It recalls the all too forgettable accountant-like Checkland and the sadly too-hard-to-forget ghastliness of Birt. For me, no-one came close to Hugh Carleton Greene for imaginative leadership or to Thompson for tawdry commercialism and nest-feathering.

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                              • aka Calum Da Jazbo
                                Late member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 9173

                                #30
                                no-one came close to Hugh Carleton Greene for imaginative leadership or to Thompson for tawdry commercialism and nest-feathering.
                                absolutely!
                                According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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