Why?

[johnb]

DracoM, thanks for the heads-up.

I find that I can play the station (256kbps WMA) on Foobar and my Squeezebox Touch using the following URL:

mms://mediau.yle.fi/liveklassinen256

Presumably that URL will work on other players as well.

[johnb]

........
From Throught th Night last Monday

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05wyqng

Not bad in one programme (albeit its being 6 hours)?

Out of interest, this is tonight's YLS Klassinen schedule for their equivalent to TTN (they are 2 hours ahead of the UK, so their 23:10 is our 21:10).

23:10 Schumann: Five-piece folk song manner (Erkki Rautio, cello and Ralf Gothóni, piano).
23:27 Schubert: Introduction and Variations in E minor (Emmanuel Pahud, flute, and Bruno Robilliard, piano).
23:42 Ruppe: A duet for piano in F major (Wyneke Jordans and Leo van Doeselaar).
23:52 Mahler: Das Lied Klagende (Marina Shaguch, Michelle DeYoung, Thomas Moser, and Sergei Leiferkus and the San Francisco Symphony Chorus and ork./Michael Tilson Thomas).
1:00 Beethoven: String Quartet No. 9 in C major. (Amadeus Quartet).
1:30 countertenor Jochen Kowalski sings arias from the operas Rinaldo, Julius Caesar, Xerxes, Giustino, Alcina, Rodelinda and Mitridate (C.Ph.E. Bach-kamariork./Hartmut I apply for Chen).
2:32 Ippolitov-Ivanov: Caucasians images. (Soviet Radio SO / Vladimir Fedosejev).
2:57 von Suppé: Initial oper-up calls. Beautiful Galateia, The Queen of Spades, Light Cavalry, Poet and Peasant, morning, day and evening in Vienna and Boccaccio. (Detroit SO / Paul Paray).
3:41 Dvorák: Symphony No. 9 in E minor (New World). (Chicago SO / Fritz Reiner).
4:21 Bortnjanski: Seven concerto for choir. (Nos 11, 33, 19, 1, 21, 7 and 18). The USSR Ministry of Culture Chamber Choir / Valery Poljanski).
5:25 Unknown: Folias (Chatham Baroque and Danny Mallon, castanets).
5:34 WA Mozart: Violin Concerto No. 1 in B flat major. (Pinchas Zukerman and St. Paul kamariork./Zukerman).
5:57 Giordano: Amor ti vieta OOPP. Fedora (Jussi Björling, tenor, and Frederick Schauwecker, piano).

and tomorrow's Breakfast and Essential Classics equivalent is:

6:00 Schubert: Violin Sonata in A major, Sonatina for violin and piano in A minor and the Fantasy for Violin and Piano in C major. (Joseph Swensen, violin, and Jeffrey Kahane, piano).
7:12 Mendelssohn: Choral Songs (Leipzig Radio Choir / Horst Neumann).
8:04 Elgar: Violin Concerto in B minor (Itzhak Perlman and the Chicago SO / Daniel Barenboim).
8:52 Brahms: Piano Quintet in F minor (Rudolf Serkin and the Budapest Quartet).
9:36 JS Bach: Cantata No. 215 (Preise dein Glücke, gesegnetes Sachsen). (Peter Schreier, tenor, Edith Mathis, soprano, and Siegfried Lorenz, bass, choir and the Berliner Solisten and Berlin kamariork./Schreier).
10:09 Melartin (arr Bird & Kyllönen.): Ballet Series Blue Pearl (RSO / Hannu Lintu).
10:36 Sor: Guitar Sonata in C major. (Lawrence Johnson).
11:05 de Falla: El Sombrero de tres picos (cocked hat), ballet. (Teresa Berganza, mezzo-soprano, and the French-speaking Swiss ork./Ernest Ansermet).
11:42 Hummel: Sonata for viola and piano in E flat major. (Paul Doktor and unnamed pianist).
12:02 Diepenbrock: Preghiera throughout the Madonna. (Christoph Prégardien, tenor, and Rudolf Jansen, piano).
12:08 Schumann: Bunte Blätter Collection piano. (Arcade volodos).
---- WA Mozart: Exsultate jubilate in F major (Michael Maniaci, a countertenor, and Boston barokkiork./Martin Pearlman).

[Bella Kemp]

I,too, have an affection for this station and listen regularly. It presents the music entirely without any attempt at humour or listener interaction, and I imagine the grim Finns listening approvingly from their homes beside lake and forest; but I have to say it's often with a sense of relief that I return to Radio 3 and its generally lighter touch. Incidentally, I'm not entirely convinced that Radio 3 does not offer us the more obscure or challenging repertoire - I've just emerged from being bashed by the latest Hear and Now - but maybe because it's close to home and always there we don't quite appreciate it as much as we might do: maybe it's like a metaphorical parent!

[Serial_Apologist]

I,too, have an affection for this station and listen regularly. It presents the music entirely without any attempt at humour or listener interaction, and I imagine the grim Finns listening approvingly from their homes beside lake and forest; but I have to say it's often with a sense of relief that I return to Radio 3 and its generally lighter touch. Incidentally, I'm not entirely convinced that Radio 3 does not offer us the more obscure or challenging repertoire - I've just emerged from being bashed by the latest Hear and Now - but maybe because it's close to home and always there we don't quite appreciate it as much as we might do: maybe it's like a metaphorical parent!

I would hazard a guess that many on here would have found Ms Howard's new opera very "there and then". But there we go - or, rather, there was further than some would seem prepared to go.

[DracoM]

Part of prob IMO is that from Breakfast to Evening concert [and often into and past that...yes, yes, the bums-on-seats 'commercial imperative, I do get it] ] R3's days seem to be so heavily 1750-1900 centred, with the second 100 yrs Germ/France/Russian repertoire of that span predominating, that the off-beat anywhere else just does not or very rarely appears. Other FM networks seem to be more enterprising AFAICS.

Scandinavian, East European, South American and North American, Australasian repoertoire less represented. And there is so much out there. Where R3 does score is in chamber music promotion.

Just been helping in a Music Festival, and the newer stuff chamber music ensembles are now exploring is a joy.

[Stanfordian]

I listen a lot to the Finnish station http://yle.fi/radio/yleklassinen/suora/

I have learnt more about a huge variety of genres, composers, performances than I ever do on R3. And this goes for a number of other stations.
As soon as I spend a morning working and listening to YLE.fi, my palate is refreshed by the often very unexpected.
Like the old R3 'blind tasting' progs.

e.g. Am listening now to a recording of a live Finnish Radio concert with Ginastera Harp Concerto. Never knew one such was written. Very attractive piece.

Raises the question as to WHY, with the BBC's colossal resources, is R3 so unbelievably uninventive?

Because R3 is trying to attract a younger audience who don't necessarily want classical music presented in the way older listeners have become used to.

Thanks for the heads up on the Finnish station!

[DracoM]

R3 trying to attract a younger audience...............what?
How? Where? What am I missing?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

R3 trying to attract a younger audience...............what?
How? Where? What am I missing?

The BBC is actually rather pathetic. Young people are not stupid. They are likely to be more put off by a radio station that attempts to please an audience that were teenagers in the 1960s. A pointless exercise, as the channel was excellent at that time (even during test matches).

[DracoM]

[cloughie]

The BBC is actually rather pathetic. Young people are not stupid. They are likely to be more put off by a radio station that attempts to please an audience that were teenagers in the 1960s. A pointless exercise, as the channel was excellent at that time (even during test matches).

If only Alps. This 60s' teenager would be delighted if the BBC would try to please me! I'll settle for loads of full works presented by Penny Gore!

[MrGongGong]

The BBC is actually rather pathetic. Young people are not stupid. They are likely to be more put off by a radio station that attempts to please an audience that were teenagers in the 1960s. A pointless exercise, as the channel was excellent at that time (even during test matches).

I think there is often a bit of this going on in these discussions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_memory_syndrome

[Nick Armstrong]

R3 trying to attract a younger audience...............what?
How? Where? What am I missing?

Maybe they've given up now: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...enge-podcasts/

(I posted this on the RAJAR thread but it seems equally relevant here...)

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Maybe they've given up now: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...enge-podcasts/

(I posted this on the RAJAR thread but it seems equally relevant here...)

There's very little indication of what they actually intend to do, probably because they haven't yet decided the best mistake to begin with.

[Serial_Apologist]

I think there is often a bit of this going on in these discussions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_memory_syndrome

I think that's unfair. When my father retired in 1965, knowing how much interest I was gaining in 20th century music, he would mark up Radio Times for all the works he could find due for broadcast that week and have reel-to-reel tapes to hand to record them. The mag would be plastered with items circled in red biro, not infrequently with half a dozen such works due for playing per day, including special programmes aimed at children (Eric Robinson introducing and conducting, I know, I know, but...), either on records or in live recitals and concerts. It was not unusual to find long song cycles by relatively obscure figures such as Sangstrom or Schoeck played in their entirety. It was a fantastic period for investigating right across the stylistic spectrum.

[LMcD]

The BBC is actually rather pathetic. Young people are not stupid. They are likely to be more put off by a radio station that attempts to please an audience that were teenagers in the 1960s. A pointless exercise, as the channel was excellent at that time (even during test matches).

Increasingly, young people don't seem to listen to ANY radio station. They can obtain most, if not all, of their entertainment and information from other sources. The same goes for TV. I no longer need to turn on my TV to see this week's tennis from Queen's Club, for example. Our son and daughter-in-law recently moved from Nagoya to Tokyo, and their TV set has been in a cupboard ever since they occupied their new flat - whatever they want to see, or listen to, they stream. (Admittedly, this is also a ploy to avoid paying the licence fee for what, they tell me, is the drivel pumped out by NHK....)

Does anybody remember a BBC news report from a few months ago when young people were asked to tune a radio?