"a translucent network of minimal surprises .......

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

Alyn gives us some rareish and classic tracks ... and the Peanuts Man

Claire covers the soon to be now London Jazz Festival and a set from ms T Clowes

Geoffrey is giving me an early pressie by covering Bill Evans

Jez does Jazz Trance with The Necks

on the road again so will be listening in the car to jrr and jlu ......

[Serial_Apologist]

Thanks for taking the trouble, calum.

JRR includes Lester's classic "Lady Be Good" - apocryphally Charlie Parker listened to this track speeded up to get an idea of how Lester's phrasing could be replicated faster on the alto, but, did gramophones have a higher speed on theem back then?

Claire covers the soon to be now London Jazz Festival and a set from ms T Clowes

The site has the T Clowes Vortex recording date down as Sept 27th. A Friday. I was there to see her the previous evening, so, unless she did 2 nights (and I don't have the Vortex programme), surely some mistake here? Anyway, I think this is a previously missing track fro the earlier broadcasts on JLU and Jon3, when, as noted, our Trish was perhaps not on toppest form.

Jez[/URL] does Jazz Trance with The Necks

on the road again so will be listening in the car to jrr and jlu ......

Anyone else agree with me that surely The Necks has to be the most overrrated group of the past decade?

[Quarky]

Thanks for taking the trouble, calum.

JRR includes Lester's classic "Lady Be Good" - apocryphally Charlie Parker listened to this track speeded up to get an idea of how Lester's phrasing could be replicated faster on the alto, but, did gramophones have a higher speed on theem back then?



The site has the T Clowes Vortex recording date down as Sept 27th. A Friday. I was there to see her the previous evening, so, unless she did 2 nights (and I don't have the Vortex programme), surely some mistake here? Anyway, I think this is a previously missing track fro the earlier broadcasts on JLU and Jon3, when, as noted, our Trish was perhaps not on toppest form.



Anyone else agree with me that surely The Necks has to be the most overrrated group of the past decade?

When did 45's, 33's make an entry? Otherwise Bird would have had to modify the gearing to the turntable - which might be relatively simple.
Out of interest, what was the date of Pres/ Teddy Wilson track?

[Serial_Apologist]

When did 45's, 33's make an entry? Otherwise Bird would have had to modify the gearing to the turntable - which might be relatively simple.
Out of interest, what was the date of Pres/ Teddy Wilson track?

My records say October 9th 1936.

[Quarky]

My records say October 9th 1936.

That's incredible - sounded so modern - Zoot Simms.

[Serial_Apologist]

That's incredible - sounded so modern - Zoot Simms.

Mmm. Or even, m.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

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[Serial_Apologist]

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Ah - your clip: apologies!

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

I see the Geoff Smith program is a taster for R3 running Bill Evans all next week as "Composer of the Week".

Evans that much as a composer? Waltz for Debbie and some others maybe....

Why not Mal Waldron.

WHY not.

BN

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

have they done Thelonious? or George Russell

on a somewhat different note; at a concert last night the programme notes for which stated that in his jazz suite that Shostakovitch had brought a depth of darker emotion to the café music of jazz ... that will be news to Louis and Duke then ... some of these Krassical Kats are really right up their own rear ends

the teacher who wrote the notes had quoted with due acknowledgement from this:

Despite his immersion in popular theatre and vaudeville during the late 1920s and early 1930s, Shostakovich did not attempt a specifically jazz-orientated work until 1934, when he entered a competition in Leningrad whose aim was to elevate jazz from café music to a more serious status. The three-movement Jazz Suite No. 1 achieves this with deft precision. After the languorous Waltz, with its indelible trumpet melody, the Polka presents a brittle but humorous façade. The mock- pathos of the Foxtrot closes the suite, with enough ambivalence in its bluesy harmonies to indicate that Shostakovich was capable of investing the jazz idiom with altogether more serious emotions. Notes by Richard Whitehouse

the ignorance and arrogance on display in RW's confusion of cabaret and jazz, understandable in the thirties at a stretch .... see http://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/289222.html for a discussion of critical reaction to jazz in the early years and also this heartfelt polemic which i have just discovered .... the seriousness of the Spiritual Blues Racial and Socio-Economic experiences of early jazz musicians infused the music long before the decadence of Berlin or Parisian cabaret polka's stole their clothes and emasculated their musical expressions ....

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

I am a huge fan of Comrade Dmitri but I find the ballet suites and the suites for jazz orch totally unconvincing. Comrade Stalin liked dixieland so I am thinking of JRRing him. Uncle Joe was also a big fan of Busby Berkley movies...all those nubile comrades in swim suits.

BN.

Trotsky however dug Harold Land..Live at the Cellar and Jane Birkin/Bardot out takes.

[Serial_Apologist]

I see the Geoff Smith program is a taster for R3 running Bill Evans all next week as "Composer of the Week".

Evans that much as a composer? Waltz for Debbie and some others maybe....

Why not Mal Waldron.

WHY not.

BN

I love Bill Evans' music, and any excuse for a week of programmes on him.... but, COTW? Rather rubbing our non-jazz classical friends' noses in it, innit?l

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

I love Bill Evans' music, and any excuse for a week of programmes on him.... but, COTW? Rather rubbing our non-jazz classical friends' noses in it, innit?l

I think Bill is the acceptable face of jazz for the R3 demographic. Debussy influences and all. A week of Billism is ok with me cos I cant see Elmo Hope hitting Radio Times.

Shame Elmo wasn't around for This is your life....

BN.

[Quarky]

I am a huge fan of Comrade Dmitri but I find the ballet suites and the suites for jazz orch totally unconvincing. Comrade Stalin liked dixieland so I am thinking of JRRing him. Uncle Joe was also a big fan of Busby Berkley movies...all those nubile comrades in swim suits.

BN.

Trotsky however dug Harold Land..Live at the Cellar and Jane Birkin/Bardot out takes.

This Friday night's episode of Symphony on BBC4 concerned DSCH. There was I thought one valuable insight into his personality, discussing the ninth symphony that Shostakovich composed in celebration of end of the War. This was also a vaguely jazzy / American influenced piece. The insight was that DSCH viewed himself as a court jester, and that he liked to play musical jokes. A somewhat dangerous game with Stalin, I would have thought.

Otherwise, Calum's comments are agreed.

[Ian Thumwood]

The CoW treatment of jazz "composers" has been quite eccentric in the past. Evans did compose quite a good body of original material which is far more interesting than his broadway repertoire. There is a really good Paul Motian album from the early 90's where a quatet with Lovano and Frisell cover Evans' originals which might help change the general perspective on this board.

By current standards you wouldn't comsider Evans a composer as most jazz musicians pen material. As far as meeting CoW requirements, I would suggest that candidates for smaller ensembles would easily be outnumbered by those writing for large ensembles. Monk's work has been suggested but he only wrote about 65 tunes about which a good number are blues in b flat. Other than "'Round midnight", the rest are either 16 or 32 bars themes. I quite like Dameron and Nichols with the latter being the better candidate. From an earlier vintage, you could also go for Andrew Hill and especially Wayne Shorter. Other than this, I hink t5hat5 CoW should really be the domain of big bands or larger ensembles where there is a lot of writing. How about the likes of Bob Brookmeyer, John Hollenbeck, Maria Schneider, Carla Bley , etc, etc. Even a recent discovery like Alan Ferber has probably as good a shout as Bill Evans.