Freshness of the night .........

[Serial_Apologist]

listened to Matthew Shipp Trio [and Phronesis] ... an excellent prog highly recommended to all by dis jazbo

Shipp rejects the legacy of Corea Hancock Jarrett and i think implicitly Tyner, so you hear other things, some Monk, Waldron even my old fav Ran B ...... one of the most interesting jazz artists on the scene is Mr Shipp imho

Quite agree about the prog, Calum. I switched on "blind" and assumed myself to be listening to the Shipp trio when in fact it was Phronesis, which came on first and, I have to say, stood up well, by any comparison. Cheers to the "Loopies" in N London, producing some of the best young jazz the UK has had to offer in recent times.

[Quarky]

listened to Matthew Shipp Trio [and Phronesis] ... an excellent prog highly recommended to all by dis jazbo

Agreed Calum - a really original jazz voice. And alive and kicking at a really youthful 52 years of age. Let's hope he has many more years to come.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

Old Grumpy ...Roberto Fonseca is new to me but this quite grabs the lobes .... have you listened to a lot of his work?

[Serial_Apologist]

Old Grumpy ...Roberto Fonseca is new to me but this quite grabs the lobes .... have you listened to a lot of his work?

That approach really takes me back to a solo recital Gordon Beck gave... miss him.

[Old Grumpy]

Old Grumpy ...Roberto Fonseca is new to me but this quite grabs the lobes .... have you listened to a lot of his work?

I have seen him live twice with his band and probably before with the Buena Vista Social Club. I do like his stuff - Zamazu, and Live from Marciac in particular. Can't watch the clip just now - would be disrespectuful to Alyn, who has been graciously allowed to present JRR within daylight hours today (albeit two minutes late due to traileritis). Not so fond of his latest offering, "Yo!".

There are a couple of other Cuban piano players worth checking out - Omar Sosa (who has been touring in the UK recently with Trilok Gurtu and Paulo Fresu) and
the other whose name I can't currently recall (senior moment )

OG

[Serial_Apologist]

Gonzalo Rubalcabo, OG?

[Old Grumpy]

Yep - that's him - thanks SA!

[Anna]

Alyn said, for the next JRR, it has to be British Jazzers. Well, that stumped me because it brings to mind watered down and insipid Trad, and then, do not know why, the only one that came to mind was Nat Gonella.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0LHPPin1hI

[grippie]

Alyn was on Broadcasting House this morning: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01s7vty

Bit of a jazz night this Friday on BBC Four: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/program...les/2013/05/10

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

thanks for that pointer grippie ..... now four hours of new progs on jazz would be summat eh?

[Serial_Apologist]

thanks for that pointer grippie ..... now four hours of new progs on jazz would be summat eh?

Easily a4dable!

[Serial_Apologist]

Bit of a jazz night this Friday on BBC Four: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/program...les/2013/05/10

This coming Saturday 11th May on BBC 4:

"8.00 Jazz Horns Gold

New. Archive performances by jazz artists from shows including Jazz 625, The Late Show, Later...with Jools Holland and Crackerjack. Featuring Dizzy Gillespie, Coleman Hawkins, Stan Getz, Rahsaan Roland Kirk, Wynton Marsalis, Acker Bilk, John Dankworth, Courtney Pine and Andy Hamilton. Plus the sounds of jazz disciples of the 21st century such as Joshua Redman and Hypnotic Brass Ensemble. See page 44 [of the new RT]"

[clive heath]

I'm listening to Phronesis as I write, and uncompromising stuff it is, daring you to like it, edgy, scared of the mainstream?? anyway, I was in a hotel room in Beijing a few days ago with a computer for free so I checked out the forum and there was Phronesis mentioned. Picking up my holiday reading I had barely gone a page or three and there it was again: phronesis - variously intellection, thinking, understanding........ so I thought this was a sign and led me to wonder whether anyone else has come across

Julian Jaynes; The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind

here's wiki:

Julian Jaynes (February 27, 1920 – November 21, 1997) was an American psychologist, best known for his book The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind (1976), in which he argued that ancient peoples were not conscious.

Jaynes defines "consciousness" more narrowly than most philosophers. Jaynes' definition of consciousness is synonymous with what philosophers call "meta-consciousness" or "meta-awareness" i.e. awareness of awareness, thoughts about thinking, desires about desires, beliefs about beliefs. This form of reflection is also distinct from the kinds of "deliberations" seen in other higher animals such as crows insofar as Jaynesian consciousness is dependent on linguistic cognition.

Jaynes wrote that ancient humans before roughly 1000BC were not reflectively meta-conscious and operated by means of automatic, nonconscious habit-schemas. Instead of having meta-consciousness, these humans were constituted by what Jaynes calls the "bicameral mind". For bicameral humans, when habit did not suffice to handle novel stimuli and stress rose at the moment of decision, neural activity in the "dominant" (left) hemisphere was modulated by auditory verbal hallucinations originating in the so-called "silent" (right) hemisphere (particularly the right temporal cortex), which were heard as the voice of a chieftain or god and immediately obeyed.

Jaynes wrote, "[For bicameral humans], volition came as a voice that was in the nature of a neurological command, in which the command and the action were not separated, in which to hear was to obey."[1] Jaynes argued that the change from bicamerality to consciousness (linguistic meta-cognition) occurred over a period of ten centuries beginning around 1000 BC. The selection pressure for Jaynesian consciousness as a means for cognitive control is due, in part, to chaotic social disorganizations and the development of new methods of behavioral control such as writing.


This book (which I had read some time before) seemed to me to be a relevant background to the mentality of those who actually produced the Terracotta Warriors, (not to mention 1989)

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

Clive what a felicitous synchronicity ...

It is well known that theoretical physicists cannot handle experimental equipment; it breaks whenever they touch it. Pauli was such a good theoretical physicist that something usually broke in the lab whenever he merely stepped across the threshold. A mysterious event that did not seem at first to be connected with Pauli's presence once occurred in Professor J. Franck's laboratory in Göttingen. Early one afternoon, without apparent cause, a complicated apparatus for the study of atomic phenomena collapsed. Franck wrote humorously about this to Pauli at his Zürich address and, after some delay, received an answer in an envelope with a Danish stamp. Pauli wrote that he had gone to visit Bohr and at the time of the mishap in Franck's laboratory his train was stopped for a few minutes at the Göttingen railroad station. You may believe this anecdote or not, but there are many other observations concerning the reality of the Pauli Effect!

Phronesis is a disposition or habit, which reveals the being of the action while deliberation is the mode of bringing about the disclosive appropriation of that action. In other words, deliberation is the way in which the phronetic nature of Dasein’s insight is made manifest. Phronesis is a form of circumspection, connected to conscience and resolutness respectively being-resolved in action of human existence (Dasein) as práxis. As such it discloses the concrete possibilities of being in a situation, as the starting point of meaningful action, processed with resolution, while facing the contingencies of life. However Heidegger’s ontologisation has been criticised as closing práxis within a horizon of solipsistic decision that deforms its political sense that is its practico-political configuration
wicki

i do not find Jaynes any more convincing than other authors who make such sweping announcements ... but alas i have not read the book, life is too short and i have much to catch up with in the works of the great William James ...

... have you come across Merlin Donald's work Clive?

[clive heath]

yes, indeed, William James, it seems would have no truck with the character of artists, thinkers or the circumstances under which they worked and ask us to focus only on the works and thoughts. I'd quite happily do without the cult of celebrity that permeates the BBC, presenters almost as important as guests, thoughts of performers rather than an introduction to the music itself. Who was it who said "policies not personalities"?

On the subject of Jaynes, this will give you more detail in a bite-sized chunk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameralism_(psychology)