JRR Redacted...yet again

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

this is pointless; a new DG is joining, all BBC EXECS at Equal and More Equal Grades will be firmly pointed inwards and upwards .... in a gently warming soup of hyper complexity that will thicken and boil over and be tainted by the burnt taste of the ashes and charcoal of the bodies of the lower orders trodden on to get a view of DG ....

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

Just out of vague interest, is there any other genre of serious music that has been so screwed over with such contempt by R3? I've moved on now totally to the net, US university radio, NPR and a host of European radio stations. A breath of fresh air after all these years.

BN.

[Ian Thumwood]

THIS week the R3 movable jazz feast will be at 19.45. Yes, we know you sleepy pensioners will be making model Spitfires out of old egg boxes, but you will have to stay awake. Or at least alive.

BN.

That comment did make me laugh but I thought your were retired too? Pot & kettle ?

Can't see why you were grumbling about last week's JRR with selections by Johm Lewis (lauded on the other thread by Calum & Bluesnik) Gil Evans, Paul Bley, Art Farmer and Miles Davis. Some of these records were even in Stereo! This stuff must be really hip in Wales given that the tone of Bluesnik's posts suggests that you are still awaiting for Jazz-rock to cross over in to the principality. The other comment about being sponsored by Saga intrigued me as well. I would have thought that fans of a player like Art Farmer (and I would include myself in that list) will largely be of retirement age. (which I'm not.) Of course, the other worrying tendency on this board is the propency to metamorphaisze in to Trevor Cooper with age and grumble about everything or atleast any jazz which involves singer or wasn't recorded between 1950-1970.

I am always intrigued by the demographic for JRR and would have thought that the styles of jazz requested would have become more contemporary as the years progress. There can't be many listeners around who would have witnessed the vintage recordings of 20's and 30's and I would have thought that the "nostalgia" element would have certainly reached the likes of John McLaughlin or Soft Machine by now. The surprising thing is just how infrequent really contemporary groups are on JRR these days. Is this because most the the people listening to this download the music or simply tap in to Youtube. With most people listening to music on an I-pod ad a multitude of musics available for download I suppose that many of the requests will no longer be from whipper-snappers.

Years ago I found that programmes like JRR and Humphrey Lyttelton played such an eclectic mix that it was possible to get a pretty wide education in the music. I still feel that the ingredients of a good jazz programme dictate a wide range of styles and the best programmes set you off on a quest to find more work by a particular new discovery. I don't think it is worthwhile grumbling about JRR unless you request something yourself - that is what makes it democratic. So if you don't like Kenny Ball (which I suppose probably relates to 100% of the people contributing here) it is up to you to request some real jazz by a towering maestro like Barney Wilen.

I don't have an issue with older generations listening to different type of jazz and I'm equally happy listening to something from 1927 as from 2013. The point that the current batch of listeners aren't very hip or have an idea of what constitutes "real jazz" is amusing as no one is going to be pleased all of the time. The amusing thing for me is that Bluesnik should , by rights, be complaining about the jazz being too "modern!"

[Serial_Apologist]

That comment did make me laugh but I thought your were retired too? Pot & kettle ?

Can't see why you were grumbling about last week's JRR with selections by Johm Lewis (lauded on the other thread by Calum & Bluesnik) Gil Evans, Paul Bley, Art Farmer and Miles Davis. Some of these records were even in Stereo! This stuff must be really hip in Wales given that the tone of Bluesnik's posts suggests that you are still awaiting for Jazz-rock to cross over in to the principality. The other comment about being sponsored by Saga intrigued me as well. I would have thought that fans of a player like Art Farmer (and I would include myself in that list) will largely be of retirement age. (which I'm not.) Of course, the other worrying tendency on this board is the propency to metamorphaisze in to Trevor Cooper with age and grumble about everything or atleast any jazz which involves singer or wasn't recorded between 1950-1970.

I am always intrigued by the demographic for JRR and would have thought that the styles of jazz requested would have become more contemporary as the years progress. There can't be many listeners around who would have witnessed the vintage recordings of 20's and 30's and I would have thought that the "nostalgia" element would have certainly reached the likes of John McLaughlin or Soft Machine by now. The surprising thing is just how infrequent really contemporary groups are on JRR these days. Is this because most the the people listening to this download the music or simply tap in to Youtube. With most people listening to music on an I-pod ad a multitude of musics available for download I suppose that many of the requests will no longer be from whipper-snappers.

Years ago I found that programmes like JRR and Humphrey Lyttelton played such an eclectic mix that it was possible to get a pretty wide education in the music. I still feel that the ingredients of a good jazz programme dictate a wide range of styles and the best programmes set you off on a quest to find more work by a particular new discovery. I don't think it is worthwhile grumbling about JRR unless you request something yourself - that is what makes it democratic. So if you don't like Kenny Ball (which I suppose probably relates to 100% of the people contributing here) it is up to you to request some real jazz by a towering maestro like Barney Wilen.

I don't have an issue with older generations listening to different type of jazz and I'm equally happy listening to something from 1927 as from 2013. The point that the current batch of listeners aren't very hip or have an idea of what constitutes "real jazz" is amusing as no one is going to be pleased all of the time. The amusing thing for me is that Bluesnik should , by rights, be complaining about the jazz being too "modern!"

He's in his second childhood. Aren't we all??

[Ian Thumwood]

i've no problem with that just as long as he doesn't morph into Cooperman. At the moment I would have Bluesnik more down as an Ed Reardon....

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

Hey, no first childhood in south Wales. I was forced down the pit at 4 and didn't learn English until I was 23 and allowed a slate and a sharp pebble. 1926 General Strike...that was led by me as a protest against the BBC's fkng awful broadcast policy and their refusal to play Caerphilly Joe Jones records. Only hymns 24/7.

BN.

BTW, Barney Wilen, "Porgy"? ...stiill waiting. Well, not...

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

BTW, I too would have expected the JRR demographic to have now moved on to the ECM generation. However, there seems to fewer requests for those delights than even the most extended Prestige four trumpet sleep fests? No staying power, no ECM fan nostalgia? Ken Colyer still riding the lurid memories for the over 75s who still listen avidly on their Bush radiograms (real formica)?

BN.

[Ian Thumwood]

Something for the baby-boomers on JRR tonight. Rana Farhan, the Iranian Norah Jones , has been requested. Never heard of her before but her music is quite agreable on her website even if it is not really jazz. Can't see Ahmadinejad swapping his Archie Shepp records for her efforts.
Calum will be pleased to hear the Mingus track ( a new one to me) and a track by Stan Getz , the American Barney Wilen. There's also some classic Bird and a track by Frankie Newton which , from recollection, is a gem.

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

What, nothing from the Ian Thumwood trio, "All Thumbs, Swingin' QS Style" ?

Fek, really not worth listening to then.

BN.

[grippie]

There's also some classic Bird .

Ian, Geoffrey Smith's prog is on the anniversary of Charlie Parker's death in 1955,

My answer phone message opens with Charlie Parker's Parkers Mood intro http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srMZYVW0T4c

[Serial_Apologist]

Can't see Ahmadinejad swapping his Archie Shepp records for her efforts. [...]
a track by Stan Getz , the American Barney Wilen.

You're on form today, Ian!

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

He's just got the new Spring 2013 Argos catalogue. You can now match your toaster and crock pot to your toilet seat. In purple OR lime.

Progress in the arts.

BN.

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

Today's Guardian..."The BBC has made a £80m LOSS on the purchase and sale of Lonely Planet travel guides". Aka, Commerial vanity project de jour. That is £80m of your money pissed up against the wall. What would that have bought in arts funding? No-one fired, disgraced or even moved sideways to the Mark Thompson retirement home for the terminally useless.

Fk em. Really, they are total garbage,

BN.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

"Since then, Lonely Planet has increased its presence in digital, magazine publishing and emerging markets whilst also growing its global market share, despite difficult economic conditions. However, we have also recognised that it no longer fits with our plans to put BBC brands at the heart of our business and have decided to sell the company."

here

money had nowt to do with it - it was a new directive from the most equal strategic centre ....

that difference in price does not recognise the full opportunity costs of the decision so £80m is a low estimate of cost [effort down the sink, options not pursued etc]

er patten gave em a good wiggin eh ....

[Serial_Apologist]

As an inveterate sniffer, I just can't wait for one of those marihuana scratch cards to drop on my mat.