it just is not Jazz and it is ignorance or deception to make such a claim

[Tenor Freak]

is this the Danish jazz you referrred to Tenor F?

YES

[Quarky]

Stayed up to listen to this in view of the fury that has been generated.

It occupied half an hour of a ninety minute programme. I actually found myself enjoying it, there were lots of solos from good jazz musicians. Would not have said it was light music, but equally not in the class of an Ellington suite. But not suitable for R2 in my view.

But having been subject to relentless dumbing down of the core classical music programmes over the past few years -just look at the state of the Breakfast programme! - I think we are on weak ground to claim that the jazz programmes should be reserved for "pure" jazz music.

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

BBC on strike! "Our extensive jazz programs will be uneffected", says R3's relaxed boss Roger.

BN.

See Steve Race and Nigella Lawson fight through the pickets on our website.

[Stephen Whitaker]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01qqfj0

The fact is the preceding Kenny Wheeler/Norma Winstone track was in the slightly embarrassing R2/King's Singers style
and the RRB Jazz Suite was exactly the sort of thing Kenny was writing for the Dankworth band in the sixties.

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

The left wing extremists here hate RRB because he was a "Sir", but are happy to dance to Count Basie and King Oliver!

It's class war in the jazz bar..."mindless militancy gone madder", says today's Sun. Page 3, lovely Tanya from Swindon holding her new valve trombone says, "Jazz doesnt just have to be for UGLY people!"

[MrGongGong]

The Glasgow Improvisers' Orchestra, who are on Jon3 on Monday, are another, very different, case of music from the edges of jazz (they certainly don't describe themselves as jazz), but at least they're unequivocally Radio Three music. If they weren't on Jon3 their natural home would be "Hear and Now".

For those in charge of these things in the media
Improvisation = Jazz
which kind of ignores that Bach was an improvisor who happened to write down a "few" things in between sets
and that there are many traditions of improvised musics which have nothing whatsoever to do with Jazz.
Also much of what we hear described as "Jazz" contains about as much improvisation as your average Haydn string quartet ! (which nevertheless has more than one might imagine ............indeterminancy and all that )

[Tom Audustus]

As I said, people who come to jazz from Classical music will look for different things in jazz than people who come to the music directly. It's interesting to hear what some musicians and fans consider to be the essential incredients and I have had similar discussions many years ago when I first tried to find a piano teacher to learn jazz over 20-odd years ago. Once potential teacher seemed to suggest that jazz wasn't about improvisation over chord changes and scales had nothing to do with jazz. Needless to say, I went elsewhere.

Come in Calum!! Wondered if you felt the Charlap track was "jazzy" enough?

As someone who plays jazz guitar and studied classical guitar in my youth, the essential key to live jamming jazz is hard swinging improv over changes of the usual standards. Just try and do that cabaret shit at our local pub jam night - you won't last long !!!

By the way, when I was playing classical guitar many, many moons ago in my dim and distant youth, I worked on RRB's Impropmtus and loved playing them. He wrote a lovely guitar concerto in a similar style that was recorded by Julian Bream. Have a listen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iYfFL4USLA

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

...er could your pub put in a bid to run JLU from the back bar?