it just is not Jazz and it is ignorance or deception to make such a claim

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

this is not jazz .... this is show music, cabaret music, New York hotel foyer music .... but not Jazz

it is taking away the time allocated to real jazz and it is intellectual dishonesty to make any claim, musical, historical, or sociological, that such performance are Jazz

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

Horsemeat in my Jazz burger.

You can phone the FSA but they just don't seem to care.

BN.

A R3 exec writes...We make certain that our Jazz "quality" burgers are sourced to the highest standards from known stables.

[Frances_iom]

...it is taking away the time allocated to real jazz ..

but it is no doubt easy listening for many (rather like film musac) - but those with an interest in say organ music have already lost all broadcast time + chamber music concerts tho now more common being cheaper tend to stick to warhorses (esp wrt string quartets) rather than being adventurous - R2.5 wins

[handsomefortune]

show music, cabaret music, New York hotel foyer music it'll be interviews with and tracks from the black and white minstrels next on sunday nights at this rate.

trouble is, you can't ignore jlu completely because it's good occasionally unfortunately. though your schedule prompts are very useful in this sense calum da jazbo.

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

The BBC now conforms to a version of Gresham's Law where base metal devalues and drives out the good.

BN.

They had a lead item on their news website...Pope resigns and...then vatican struck by lightening. (sic). "Dumb" ain't the word.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

it is not so much the allocated time issue as the sheer incompetence of thinking or claiming this as jazz .... i knew the run of ace progs on Jon3 and JLU was gonna end badly .................... [the Brubeck live concert was a fitting tribute and a good listen btw]

[burning dog]

[/URL] .... this is show music, cabaret music, New York hotel foyer music ....

NOT JAZZ

but
I doubt it will be any of those either!
It'll be a classical type bloke's "high brow" attempt at them. Too pretentious for R2, not jazz or classical enough for R3.

[Jazzrook]

this is not jazz .... this is show music, cabaret music, New York hotel foyer music .... but not Jazz

it is taking away the time allocated to real jazz and it is intellectual dishonesty to make any claim, musical, historical, or sociological, that such performance are Jazz

Totally agree, Calum. Richard Rodney Bennett is Roger Wright's idea of jazz and shouldn't be given time on a genuine jazz programme. JLU doesn't change much does it?

[Stephen Whitaker]

Way too prescriptive and proscriptive, the cabaret/jazz tradition goes back to Billie Holiday, Mabel Mercer and beyond.

Anyone who saw Richard with Marion Montgomery will know that it was a genuine jazz/improvising partnership.

How about this for a jazz line-up?
Claire Martin - vocals, Gareth Williams - electric piano, vibes, organ; Laurence Cottle - bass; Clark Tracey - drums; Nigel Htchcock - saxophone; Miles Bould - percussion; Richard Cottle - Organ; Julian Jackson - harmonica; Ian Shaw - backing vocals; Chris Dagley - drums; steve Watts - bass, Bobby Wellins - saxophone,
Richard Rodney Bennett - piano.

Jazz Calendar in the sixties wasn't just some bland crossover and his performances of Gershwin were never just about playing the dots on the page.

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

How about some Albert Ayler to refresh? Like a cold shower.

BN.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

you make the point with the phrase cabaret/jazz ... it is not about prescription nor proscription .... it is about not enough JAZZ on r3 ... call it what you like on r2 or a Wednesday afternoon at 2 p.m. ... but in a rationed time slot that has recently been doing rather in keeping to the main stuff this is a substantial step off the track ... and prescriptive proscriptive or not such music has never been jazz to my ears ... 'soft jazz' or cabaret certainly ... the stuff they pile on those cheap compilation cds on sale in motorway service stations ...

please note that i do not suggest that these are in any way inferior artists or performance, on the contrary .... just inappropriate

[Stephen Whitaker]

Similarly you make my point with your reliance on what it sounds like to your ears.
My point is that historically and sociologically this branch of the music would have been referred to as jazz
and artists like Nina Simone would have appeared in cabaret venues.
The whole relationship gives rise to books like this.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigs-Cabaret-Routledge-Studies-Society/dp/0415347009

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

'in a book' or 'in my view' a distiction without much iof a difference when it boils down to it ...

Nina Simone is wonderful and i love listening to her on r2 ... not a slot for Jazz on r3

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

I am a massive fan of the Kings Singers...

CMon R3, what about a jazz spot for the lads? Fek Ornette. Keep jazz white.

BN.

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

And...just seen that Helen Boaden is back...demoted...to run BBC Radio....

Oh, its a purfeeeeect day....

BN.