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  • aka Calum Da Jazbo
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 9173

    the third stream thing lives on funny innit

    years ago Schuller and Lewis et al looked a little off beat out of the way [we [me especially] did not know then that they had discovered Ornette etc etc and seeded one of the greatest epochs of advance in jazz in NYC in the 50s] but as the years danced away their music and that of Gil Evans , George Russell, Jimmy Giuffre seemed to me to be the really big thing

    here in her smaller world of London Ms Clowes gets it right, a gorgeous album in the tradition



    Following the success of her 2010 debut album ‘Tangent’, saxophonist Trish Clowes returns with ‘And In The Night-Time She Is There’, further extending her depth and range as a composer and improviser. The album features subtle, delicate and mysterious music performed by two different ensembles. The nonet features a string quartet including the ‘staggeringly virtuosic’ violinist Thomas Gould (Charlotte Higgins, The Guardian). Other special guests include pianist Gwilym Simcock and the singer Kathleen Willison. The rhythm section features the deft touch and musicality of drummer James Maddren, Troyka guitarist Chris Montague (here demonstrating his versatility) and in demand bassist Calum Gourlay. Most impressive of all is Clowes’ own graceful presence and nuanced, lyrical sound.

    Clowes’ music explores a fascinating hinterland between jazz and contemporary classical music, combining fluent improvisation with languid, evocative melodic lines and shifting textures. The three movements of the Iris Nonet explore a range of moods and sensations with quiet intensity. The modestly titled Little Tune, which closes the album, comes across as a potential modern standard, demonstrating Clowes’ love for the jazz tradition.

    The album’s title comes from The Sphinx, a vivid Oscar Wilde poem which also provides lyrics for the track of the same name. The compelling soundscape crafted by the rhythm section provides an appropriately dream-like mood, complementing Kathleen Willison’s sophisticated handling of the melody. A similar lightness of touch characterises the whole album, particularly on the majestic opener Atlas and the subtle rhythmic shifts of Green Circle.

    Since the release of Tangent, Clowes has been exceptionally busy, working in a wide range of contexts. In 2011, she was selected by Jamie Cullum, Gilles Peterson and Jez Nelson to perform at the BBC Introducing stage at the Cheltenham Jazz Festival. Her PRSF funded Emulsion festival featured Glyndebourne Young Composer in Residence Luke Styles’ Ensemble Amorpha and ECM recording artist Iain Ballamy. Trish will be touring music from the new album in Autumn 2012 with her quartet, including a few special performances with Simcock and the strings.
    According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.
  • Ian Thumwood
    Full Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 4081

    #2
    Calum


    Looks like the line up on that Trish Clowes album would please old Trevor Cooper!!

    Do you not think that the Third Stream has always been there since the 50's? The AACM seemed to have perpetuated the more academic aspect of jazz and I've been checking out some of the artists from Chicargo over the last few weeks who seem to blend more academic styles of music with the guts and bluesy-ness of jazz. There are quite a few clips of Nicole Mitchell leading string ensembles (Black Earth Strings) that intrigue me. I'm beginning to think that Mitchell is a hugely significant figure in today's jazz scene along with the likes of Rob Mazurek whose own albums I am very keen to chekc out too.

    A few years back I discovered Christophe Del Sasso who is probably the most in-keeping of all the Schuller-like adherents. He was a pupil of Dave Leibman and his own work for small-ish and medium size ensembles captures the spirit of Schuller albeit refracted through the mindset of a generation who is familiar with more contempoary players like Dave Douglas . (Who himself is not afraid of following a similar path from time to time.)

    Cheers

    Ian

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    • aka Calum Da Jazbo
      Late member
      • Nov 2010
      • 9173

      #3
      yes Ian i do think it has been there all the time; in facrt i think it is far more central and important than it is ever credited with .... in part because of the race issue when free music and free people enjoyed an organismic embrace and JC took it mystical while Ornette got interested ... meanwhile there was always the Jimmy Giuffre Paul Bley and Steve Swallow approach, much to be preferred i feel to the Marxist and Maoist orthodoxies of the European Free Improv cadres and their rages against the machine and everything else ...

      .... meanwhile this rather bourgeois or middle classs romance with counterpoint, structure, the academy. other musical sources [indian, flamenco] just kept on producing performances and works of great achievement ...


      meanwhile i find this artist's work of interest
      According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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      • Ian Thumwood
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        • Dec 2010
        • 4081

        #4
        Extract of the publicity for the new Christophe Dal Sasso album. I think no one typifies the continued influence of the likes of the Third Stream movement in today's jazz than this musician. The Fench is a little bit difficult although I can get the gist of some of it. Listening to this music is makes a mockery of the fact that Braxton gets the attention whereas Dal Sasso remains unknown outside of France. I was only through luck that I encountered his music.

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        • aka Calum Da Jazbo
          Late member
          • Nov 2010
          • 9173

          #5
          yep Ian; Emperor's and clothes spring to mind for me ...

          have just bought this following review in Graun by John Fordham



          but have yet to give it a good listen will report back ... and check for Dal Sasso on emusic next month!
          According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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          • Quarky
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            • Dec 2010
            • 2648

            #6
            Am I being brainwashed by the Jezz Nelson clique?

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            • aka Calum Da Jazbo
              Late member
              • Nov 2010
              • 9173

              #7
              always a risk of spin and being hung out to dry eh ...
              on the old bored you would have found many stout defenders and even proponents of A Braxton's music making ... you might find centrifuge's blog of some interest
              According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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              • BLUESNIK'S REVOX
                Full Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 4247

                #8
                I often play the Sonny Rollins solo album at the same time as a Bartok string quartet to create a very special third stream experience.

                Over to you, R3.

                BN.

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                • aka Calum Da Jazbo
                  Late member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 9173

                  #9
                  ..er yep and they could dig up Sonny Rollins Concerto for Tenor Saxophone and Symphony Orchestra thing and all ....


                  are yer ducks flyin' El Senor?
                  According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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                  • BLUESNIK'S REVOX
                    Full Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 4247

                    #10
                    Ducks are chillin'. For something really mallard, ckout Gilad Atzman's web site where he claims the current crisis\split in the lovable Socialist Workers Party is all down to the "jews" trying to destroy him and his career. Mad and hatter comes to mind.

                    BN.

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                    • BLUESNIK'S REVOX
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 4247

                      #11
                      BTW, The JJ Johnson\Miles "Poem for Brass" is wonderful, and at the time, Third Stream.

                      Even tho Miles later trashed the term.

                      BN.

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                      • aka Calum Da Jazbo
                        Late member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 9173

                        #12
                        we need more mad hatters

                        the SWP was many things but loveable?

                        read it here?
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                        • BLUESNIK'S REVOX
                          Full Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 4247

                          #13
                          Calum, i was being ironic re the SWP in meltdown.

                          As for Gilad, he's totally lost whatever plot he had. The "jews"? Really?. Sad, because he can play and had a fine sense of humour.

                          Back when.

                          BN.

                          The really funny thing is that one of the factions of the SWP is attacking the leadership for making them listen to jazz...e.g. Atzmon.

                          Well, Stalin's cellars were mild compared with that!

                          BN.

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                          • aka Calum Da Jazbo
                            Late member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 9173

                            #14
                            ... for a while there back in the when it seemed to me that socialism was a personality disorder ... but now it has had the proverbial kicked out of it i feel rather sorry for it in a forgetful mood of nostalgia ...
                            According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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                            • Serial_Apologist
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                              • Dec 2010
                              • 37318

                              #15
                              Originally posted by aka Calum Da Jazbo View Post
                              ... for a while there back in the when it seemed to me that socialism was a personality disorder ... but now it has had the proverbial kicked out of it i feel rather sorry for it in a forgetful mood of nostalgia ...
                              How kind...

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