Mingus Jazz Workshop 1964-65 Mosaic Box

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  • docwilko
    • Dec 2024

    Mingus Jazz Workshop 1964-65 Mosaic Box

    Happy New Year one and all.

    I was lucky enough to receive this new Mingus set for xmas, and am listening to it very slowly and gradually. I am posting simply to ask if anyone on here is familiar with the original release of Town Hall Concert 1964 (the sextet recorded just before leaving for the European tour) and whether they think there might be a splice on the tape in So Long Eric at about 15.36 between the (apparent) end of Dolphy's solo and the immediate reappearance of the theme. There's no mention of it in Priestley's accompanying essay, but then he doesn't say anything at all about the second half of this performance, neither the Mingus-Richmond taded fours or Dolphy's extra-planetary excursion.
    It's either a pretty good splice or this band was even slicker than I previously thought. But it sounds like a splice and Mingus was pretty good at making great records by cutting parts out of solos (Boogie Stop Shuffle is perhaps the most amazing example of this, I think). I think the splice hypothesis is supported by the fact that Clifford Jordan's solo returns from double-time to a final closing chorus in the original time: and that final chorus is the one that I think Mingus spliced out from Dolphy's solo.

    Maybe I should have called this post Meditations on a pair of tape-scissors?
  • aka Calum Da Jazbo
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 9173

    #2
    happy new year docwilko i have no idea beyond Priestley on Mingus editing ... normally far too excited listening to Mingus to notice the joins!
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    • teamsaint
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 25225

      #3
      since we are on the subject, I enjoyed the Mingus COTW a while back but remain a Mingus ignoramus.

      Would anybody care to suggest a place to usefully start listening or buying, please?
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      • Anna

        #4
        I have a cd of The Complete Town Hall Concert (Blue Note) which says it was recorded 1962 and then remastered. I shall have to look more closely tomorrow but it's one of my favourites.

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        • aka Calum Da Jazbo
          Late member
          • Nov 2010
          • 9173

          #5
          Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
          since we are on the subject, I enjoyed the Mingus COTW a while back but remain a Mingus ignoramus.

          Would anybody care to suggest a place to usefully start listening or buying, please?
          I don't mind a challenge !!
          any and all recordings with Eric Dolphy ...
          any and all of the 4 and 5 * albums listed here

          this is an essential compilation

          and these are also top notch

          Paris

          UCLA

          other essential albums are Blues & Roots; Mingus Ah Um; Black Saint and the Sinner Lady inter alia ...
          According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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          • teamsaint
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 25225

            #6
            Originally posted by aka Calum Da Jazbo View Post
            any and all recordings with Eric Dolphy ...
            any and all of the 4 and 5 * albums listed here

            this is an essential compilation

            and these are also top notch

            Paris

            UCLA

            other essential albums are Blues & Roots; Mingus Ah Um; Black Saint and the Sinner Lady inter alia ...
            Thanks a lot, Jazzer. Will certainly take care of my amazon voucher !!Think I will dip my toe, with your advice , and a little youtubing !!
            Cheers.
            I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

            I am not a number, I am a free man.

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            • docwilko

              #7
              Anna, the 1962 Town Hall Concert album also features Eric Dolphy, but it was the 1964 Town Hall Concert album (released on Mingus' own label) to which I was referring.

              Originally posted by Anna View Post
              I have a cd of The Complete Town Hall Concert (Blue Note) which says it was recorded 1962 and then remastered. I shall have to look more closely tomorrow but it's one of my favourites.

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